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Colorado woman uses red flag law against officer who shot and killed her knife-wielding son

Rich2018 said:
To which I retort, if you want to live in a free fire zone, go live in Iraq or Somalia

Would you advise the founders, if you could, to leave the American colonies if they didn't like it? And no, they were not all born here.
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Still wondering if you watched the video or not. Your posts suggest you didn't.
 
TurtleDude said:
what clause in the constitution empowers a national gun registry: especially guns that have been owned for decades
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None at all

What clause(s) in the Constitution require a vehicle driver to hold a driving license ?


(and to register your car Btw)
 
Rich2018 said:
None at all

What clause(s) in the Constitution require a vehicle driver to hold a driving license ?


(and to register your car Btw)
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You seem still confused about state powers vs federal powers.
 
I've seen it weaponized and it probably will become fairly routinely used in divorce cases to make the husband look like a dangerous armed kook.
 
Rich2018 said:
Nope

You are happy to register your car...you seem less happy to register your gun(s)
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What party is trying to ban cars? really stupid analogy that has been proven stupid for years
 
Bum said:
Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before people looked for ways to abuse "red flag" laws.
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Individuals seeking to abuse a law doesn’t make it a bad law. If that were the case, rape couldn’t be illegal.
 
joko104 said:
I've seen it weaponized and it probably will become fairly routinely used in divorce cases to make the husband look like a dangerous armed kook.
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Might jury members view ownership of an arsenal of guns to be indicative of a mans mental state.


I think it might be.
 
Rich2018 said:
All parties require you to register your vehicles.

Why not your guns ?
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because there is no proper governmental power to do so at the federal level,

because there is no legitimate governmental reason for people to do so

because it violates the constitution several ways

because people like you want it to happen
 
TurtleDude said:
because there is no proper governmental power to do so at the federal level,

because there is no legitimate governmental reason for people to do so

because it violates the constitution several ways

because people like you want it to happen
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But why register your car at a state level ?

What would be the problem if all 50 states' car registry data fed into one computer ?

Does every state' constitution give them the right to make car owners register their vehicles ?

We've already discussed that there is most definitely a good reason for law enforcement to have a registry they can call on. Come to think of it, what good reason does car registry have ?

How does it violate the constitution ?

Your last point is the most illuminating...you fear a gun ban, something you swear cannot and will not ever happen.
 
Rich2018 said:
But why register your car at a state level ?

What would be the problem if all 50 states' car registry data fed into one computer ?

Does every state' constitution give them the right to make car owners register their vehicles ?

We've already discussed that there is most definitely a good reason for law enforcement to have a registry they can call on. Come to think of it, what good reason does car registry have ?

How does it violate the constitution ?

Your last point is the most illuminating...you fear a gun ban, something you swear cannot and will not ever happen.
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we have already edified you that criminals cannot be prosecuted for failing to register their weapons

we all know that you want to ban guns and see registration as a step towards that goal

there is NO VALUE WHATSOEVER to gun owners for registering our weapons and plenty of down side
 
TurtleDude said:
we have already edified you that criminals cannot be prosecuted for failing to register their weapons
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But if the previous LEGAL owner did, it might trace them. It might ensure an "honest" citizen sells/psses on his/her firearm to a responsible person.


we all know that you want to ban guns and see registration as a step towards that goal
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Which you say cannot and will not happen, so why is this an issue ?


there is NO VALUE WHATSOEVER to gun owners for registering our weapons and plenty of down side
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What down side? There are no negative impacts to a mandatory registry

And Law Enforcement would have a TON of use for such a registry, as evidenced by the requests they ALREADY make to the ATF every year.
 
Rich2018 said:
But if the previous LEGAL owner did, it might trace them. It might ensure an "honest" citizen sells/psses on his/her firearm to a responsible person.




Which you say cannot and will not happen, so why is this an issue ?




What down side? There are no negative impacts to a mandatory registry

And Law Enforcement would have a TON of use for such a registry, as evidenced by the requests they ALREADY make to the ATF every year.
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What crimes are prevented by registering?
 
HonestJoe said:
Individuals seeking to abuse a law doesn’t make it a bad law. If that were the case, rape couldn’t be illegal.
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After all, the law was brought in to stop people from doing an activity they would otherwise wish to.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Any such red flag statutes should be employed, viewed and handled as a strictly "last resort" approach.
It's the kind of thing that should be portrayed as a "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" tactic used only when all other approaches have proved ineffective.

And yes, any misuse should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, no exceptions.
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Frivolous lawsuits are filed and dismissed every day.
 
TurtleDude said:
the problem is that RF laws will be weaponized-in nasty custody or divorce cases mainly by women against their husbands or ex husbands. That is why there needs to be mandatory felony jail time for anyone who misuses these laws.
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Is a court supposed to decide on misuse ?
 
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