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    the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    This is actually pretty funny, as a Virginian. Liberal cities and counties in VA have been promoting and passing "Sanctuary City" laws to protect illegal immigrants for years now or marijuana laws...

    Well, I guess two can play that game. There are now, as of today, 117 counties and cities in the State of Virginia that are 2A sanctuaries that will not enforce state gun bans.

    List of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia and where it’s being discussed

    In the long run maybe I will eventually thank the Sanctuary City movement as the first real blow against federal regulation.
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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is actually pretty funny, as a Virginian. Liberal cities and counties in VA have been promoting and passing "Sanctuary City" laws to protect illegal immigrants for years now or marijuana laws...

    Well, I guess two can play that game. There are now, as of today, 117 counties and cities in the State of Virginia that are 2A sanctuaries that will not enforce state gun bans.

    List of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia and where it’s being discussed

    In the long run maybe I will eventually thank the Sanctuary City movement as the first real blow against federal regulation.
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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    As a Virginian I am interested in seeing how this will all play out. The Democrats are hell bent on passing a bunch of idiotic gun laws that Gov. Coonman Northam will sign, in turn they are going to be challenged by multiple localities. Will this approach help or hurt them, and will any potential backlash play out on the federal offices come November are the questions I’m waiting to have answered.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Let localism reign.
    which is what the founders intended. most crap the federal government does would fail if confined to the states.
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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    As a Virginian I am interested in seeing how this will all play out. The Democrats are hell bent on passing a bunch of idiotic gun laws that Gov. Coonman Northam will sign, in turn they are going to be challenged by multiple localities. Will this approach help or hurt them, and will any potential backlash play out on the federal offices come November are the questions I’m waiting to have answered.
    Challenged in federal court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which is what the founders intended. most crap the federal government does would fail if confined to the states.
    Aren't these state laws that are being proposed?

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueTex View Post
    Aren't these state laws that are being proposed?
    Note the comment I was responding to, but you are correct. Gun control was never intended to be a federal matter.
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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueTex View Post
    Challenged in federal court?
    IMO both federal and state court. These localities will challenge on any and all fronts available.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    In the long run maybe I will eventually thank the Sanctuary City movement as the first real blow against federal regulation.
    Yeah, see here's the problem though. The only argument against sanctuary type policies whether they are pro-immigrant, pro-weed, or pro-gun is that the United States Congress has the exclusive right to regulate interstate commerce. So you'd be required to argue that allowing the sale, manufacture or general existence of a thing in someway gave the county a tactical economic advantage or posed some kind of threat to the rest of the country. But that would require you to admit that immigrants are good for the economy.

    Now with a product like a gun or weed for example you could make the argument that it would be too easy for someone from the next state over where the product is illegal to enter your sanctuary, purchase the product and bring it back into the county where it's banned. The ease of this would give the federal government justification for blocking the manufacture and sale of the product within your sanctuary as well.

    But a person is very different. The person is living in that city or county because it's a sanctuary. There's no reason they'd want to leave and enter a hostile territory when they can get all the same benefits in the sanctuary without the hostility. Even if they decided to leave the problem that you'd be faced with would be no different than if they had snuck across a federal boarder. One they would have already had to have crossed in order to get to the sanctuary. Maybe if an immigrant committed some other type of crime in your county then they escaped to the sanctuary you'd have justification of wanting to go after him, but as long as he stays in the sanctuary city you can't really argue he's causing you any harm.

    That is of course unless...

    You tried to argue that the immigrant gave the sanctuary county an unfair economic advantage. You could argue that the immigrant worker allowed business from that county to produce goods cheaper. You'd have to argue that the benefits of the immigrant living in that city outweighed the negatives for that city. But if you admitted that that immigrant is generating more wealth for the sanctuary than they are costing it then it would undermine every other reason you have for hating immigrants.
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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    IMO both federal and state court. These localities will challenge on any and all fronts available.
    Given the history of the 4th circuit, which of the proposed laws do you think they will be able to overturn?

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