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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Some Western movies show local law enforcement proclaiming guns have to be checked in at the Office while in town.
    Yes, like The Unforgiven....are you aware of a Western town, that was in the USA, actually passing a law like this ?

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    But the Constitution doesn't say that.

    It says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
    Notice that every one still gets to own a gun and can travel with their gun. Also note that people in commerce of weapons and ammunition still freely operate.
    States are treated just like the federal government since they incorporated the constitution and its amendments. Local juristicition like cities have been tried in the courts and you will notice that the decisions in those case become very tailored to prevent certain actions, so as long as the city doesn't stop someone from owning a gun, having one in their home, and traveling with it, then one can assume they have some say in laws determining were gun can be seen.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Yes, like The Unforgiven....are you aware of a Western town, that was in the USA, actually passing a law like this ?
    I am aware of the general history of local law enforcement restricting the wearing of Arms within the municipality but not any specific town in particular.

    SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
    Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    (Source: Illinois Constitution.)
    Cities and Counties have recourse to the traditional police Power of a State, as organs of it.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jdog21 View Post
    Notice that every one still gets to own a gun and can travel with their gun. Also note that people in commerce of weapons and ammunition still freely operate.
    States are treated just like the federal government since they incorporated the constitution and its amendments. Local juristicition like cities have been tried in the courts and you will notice that the decisions in those case become very tailored to prevent certain actions, so as long as the city doesn't stop someone from owning a gun, having one in their home, and traveling with it, then one can assume they have some say in laws determining were gun can be seen.
    Travel to New York with a gun and see what happens.

    There are several cases of the Supreme Court over ruling local government that sought to restrict guns.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Travel to New York with a gun and see what happens.

    There are several cases of the Supreme Court over ruling local government that sought to restrict guns.
    I know, I said as such.
    But the local government can say where guns are allowed in the public, like open carry or not allowed in court houses etc. A local government can't prevent you from having a gun in your home. A local government can't prevent you from traveling out of town with a gun. A local government can't prevent you from buying a gun. A local government cant prevent you from having a gun store, or prevent necessary items for use of a gun like parts and ammunition.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Travel to New York with a gun and see what happens.
    Traveling to New York with a gun is not a problem, As long as I keep my gun in the trunk or glove box and the gun is unloaded traveling into and out of New York is allowed. But the laws are written so strict that I have to be going to strait to a place like a home where I can keep my gun and straight out of town, if I detour to a store then Id be in violation of the law.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jdog21 View Post
    Traveling to New York with a gun is not a problem, As long as I keep my gun in the trunk or glove box and the gun is unloaded traveling into and out of New York is allowed. But the laws are written so strict that I have to be going to strait to a place like a home where I can keep my gun and straight out of town, if I detour to a store then Id be in violation of the law.
    I saw a YouTube video by a lawyer who helps people who get into gun legislation problems.

    A women was flying to somewhere and the plane had to divert to NYC. She had a gun on her and found herself in jail and is no a convicted felon.


    But the local government can say where guns are allowed in the public...
    No.

    "An Illinois law banning guns within 1,000 feet of public parks violates a right under the Second Amendment to carry a weapon outside the home for self-defense, the state Supreme Court concluded in a unanimous decision issued Thursday.

    The 7-0 ruling came in the criminal case of Julio Chairez, who had appealed his 2013 conviction for having a gun near Aurora’s Virgil Gilman Trail park, just west of Chicago. In addition to striking the law, Thursday’s ruling also vacated Chairez’s conviction...
    "


    Illinois Supreme Court says gun ban near parks is unconstitutional | Northwest Herald

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Now we trot out the distraction issue. Yeah the court system was rigged, yeah that's the ticket rigged I tell you!!!!

    The Supremes saw it as Constitutional, you can argue your HIGHLY biased absurdity elsewhere...

    This reminds me of those who claim Texas was never properly added to the Republic so it is free to leave whenever it wants, or the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified so we don't have to pay taxes.

    Foolish rants with no real precedent to back any of it up....
    read this. I have posted it at least a dozen times on this board.


    http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default...PRO_060964.pdf

    Of course, the NFA was really a ban disguised as a tax, in- tended to discourage the possession and use of covered firearms. “The gangster as a law violator must be deprived of his most dan- gerous weapon, the machine gun.”90 Modeled on the Harrison Narcotics Act, the NFA made covered firearms risky and expensive.91 “We certainly don’t expect gangsters to come forward to register their weapons and be fingerprinted, and a $200 tax is frankly prohibitive to private citizens.” 92



    92 Registry of One Weapon Purchase in Year Shows Gangsters Flouting Firearms Tax, N.Y. TIMES, Nov. 6, 1936, at 52.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Travel to New York with a gun and see what happens.

    There are several cases of the Supreme Court over ruling local government that sought to restrict guns.
    the reason why there is a ban on machine guns, made after May 19, 1986, is because Democrats were upset that the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act, would prevent anti gun states from prosecuting travelers. Example: you live in a state where your gun is legal and you are flying to another one but your stopover is in Newark. If you had a checked gun in your luggage, and there was a delay, and you had to take custody of your bag, NJ authorities could arrest you. Same if you were driving through NY from PA to vermont with a handgun locked in your trunk
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: the rise of Sanctuary 2A counties in Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    read this. I have posted it at least a dozen times on this board. Of course, the NFA was really a ban disguised as a tax, in- tended to discourage the possession and use of covered firearms. “The gangster as a law violator must be deprived of his most dan- gerous weapon, the machine gun.”90 Modeled on the Harrison Narcotics Act, the NFA made covered firearms risky and expensive.91 “We certainly don’t expect gangsters to come forward to register their weapons and be fingerprinted, and a $200 tax is frankly prohibitive to private citizens.” 92 92 Registry of One Weapon Purchase in Year Shows Gangsters Flouting Firearms Tax, N.Y. TIMES, Nov. 6, 1936, at 52.
    Oh yes this tired old chestnut….

    Opinion piece from someone who didn't rule on any of it, so it's just an opinion. We keep going round and round on this, the courts have ruled and all the 'gun' lovin' rants don't change this.

    Again Honest Citizens weren't buying Thompsons BEFORE the NFA tax. The tax was moot to your Honest Citizens not the least bit interested in spending what today is just under 3 grand (price off the rack) for a weapon they would never use. The 'Honest' citizen you claim to champion wasn't sawing off shotguns so drop the silly crap.

    The tax wasn't designed to 'force' gangsters to sign up their weapons but rather give a quick easy to prove felony charge when caught. Difficult to find and keep witnesses alive when dealing with ruthless gangsters but an illegal weapon requires none of that. Al Capone wasn't convicted of his many murderous crimes but rather simple tax evasion.

    Your 'argument' that bad guys don't obey laws isn't the issue. Just like drugs and certain items for their use, making them illegal isn't so the addicts turn in their drugs and glass pipes- it's so when caught the charge is simple and difficult to dispute.

    Play your tune, it took you long enough to find that weak old tired argument that is unsupported by the courts (yanno laws trump opinion), nobody is dancing...

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