• We will be taking the forum down for maintenance at [5:15 am CDT] - in 15 minutes. We should be down less than 1 hour.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Training as Gun Control act

Hamish Howl said:
For me, I never touched a firearm until I was in the army. Then I learned all about cleaning them. Like nonstop. After a while, it became a fairly comfortable routine.

Thing about the infantry, it will suck all the mystery (and a good deal of the fun) out of firearms. They're just one more thing that needs taking care of.

Which is just another argument in favor of making it a mandatory class.

(Also, when I was a kid in the 80s, people still brought their rifles to school. That stopped right about junior year, when the insurance geeks realized it was happening.)

Edit to add: Not everyone owns a firearm, but everyone will at some point or another be around them.
Click to expand...

There is no more "mystery" to a firearm than there is to a drill, hammer, pair of pliers, or any other tool. So why not demand that everyone be trained in the use of a drill, hammer, and pair of pliers? Your same argument applies, not everyone owns tools but everyone will at some point or another be around them.

Someone who makes training mandatory would be a fascist, and become a legitimate target for anyone using a firearm.
 
Glitch said:
There is no more "mystery" to a firearm than there is to a drill, hammer, pair of pliers, or any other tool. So why not demand that everyone be trained in the use of a drill, hammer, and pair of pliers? Your same argument applies, not everyone owns tools but everyone will at some point or another be around them.

Someone who makes training mandatory would be a fascist, and become a legitimate target for anyone using a firearm.
Click to expand...

There is to people whose sole experience with firearms is watching action flicks.

And yeah, I am also not opposed to a basic hand tool class. Hell, I had to take shop AND home ec during middle school. Even if I didn't plan on being a tradesman or a cook.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I think firearm safety and basic range competence should be a required high school course.
Click to expand...

Teach children how to shoot...control their breathing and aim for he center of the target.


Sound like a great curriculum for an active shooter course.


Of course, I wouldn't know why you want to teach children how to use a gun they stole from daddy and smuggled into school...
 
RF667799 said:
Yeah, I've run into those guys too.
Click to expand...


You think the SIG is better?

I do too...yet the British army just replaced its FN Hi Power pistols with the Glock.


Yaeger Btw also just replaced his Glock with a SIG.
 
Rich2018 said:
Teach children how to shoot...control their breathing and aim for he center of the target.


Sound like a great curriculum for an active shooter course.


Of course, I wouldn't know why you want to teach children how to use a gun they stole from daddy and smuggled into school...
Click to expand...

See, Glitch, this is precisely what I was talking about. People see "firearms course", and they immediately think it's about shooting people. Or even has shooting as the primary focus of the class.
 
Rich2018 said:
Teach children how to shoot...control their breathing and aim for he center of the target.

Sound like a great curriculum for an active shooter course.

Of course, I wouldn't know why you want to teach children how to use a gun they stole from daddy and smuggled into school...
Click to expand...

Because if you teach them what a handgun can and will do along with proper safety (and you properly lock the gun) they are unlikely to steal from daddy and smuggle it into school.
 
Hamish Howl said:
See, Glitch, this is precisely what I was talking about. People see "firearms course", and they immediately think it's about shooting people. Or even has shooting as the primary focus of the class.
Click to expand...

Of course it's not...but a course in firearms proficiency will have some adverse effects when the lessons are applied by someone who seeks to misuse guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
Of course it's not...but a course in firearms proficiency will have some adverse effects when the lessons are applied by someone who seeks to misuse guns.
Click to expand...

Unless you train for hours each week - and even then, sometimes - it won't help you when you get tunnel vision & the adrenaline shakes. Theoretical knowledge and muscle memory are not the same thing.

The only difference this class would make would be to reduce the number of accidental gun deaths. It would not turn kids into seasoned killers.
 
Hamish Howl said:
See, Glitch, this is precisely what I was talking about. People see "firearms course", and they immediately think it's about shooting people. Or even has shooting as the primary focus of the class.
Click to expand...

Do not confuse normal people with the likes of Rich2018 who hates the Second Amendment and wants to see all privately owned firearm banned. Gun banners are anti-American scum and should never be construed as normal. These are sick and twisted freaks whose sole purpose is to foist their brand of fascism on everyone else. Which is why they seek to ban all privately owned firearms.
 
Glitch said:
Do not confuse normal people with the likes of Rich2018 who hates the Second Amendment and wants to see all privately owned firearm banned. Gun banners are anti-American scum and should never be construed as normal. These are sick and twisted freaks whose sole purpose is to foist their brand of fascism on everyone else. Which is why they seek to ban all privately owned firearms.
Click to expand...

I spent more than a few years in the 'burbs, and his post reflects on more people than you would think possible.

It has nothing to do with fascism, just movie/media driven truisms.
 
It's the same thing as the NCIS hilarity. Agents/police/other LEOs shoot people once a week, and there is never any tedious inquests and paperwork.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Unless you train for hours each week - and even then, sometimes - it won't help you when you get tunnel vision & the adrenaline shakes. Theoretical knowledge and muscle memory are not the same thing.

The only difference this class would make would be to reduce the number of accidental gun deaths. It would not turn kids into seasoned killers.
Click to expand...

Sounds like you know what is required to be a mass shooter.

A proficiency class who better enable to make the gun go bang and hit a target wouldn't it ?

Proper aiming, breathing control....


Not talking about making a kid into an expert marksman.
 
Rich2018 said:
Sounds like you know what is required to be a mass shooter.

A proficiency class who better enable to make the gun go bang and hit a target wouldn't it ?

Proper aiming, breathing control....

Not talking about making a kid into an expert marksman.
Click to expand...

You don't care about gun safety obviously.
 
Rich2018 said:
You think the SIG is better?

I do too...yet the British army just replaced its FN Hi Power pistols with the Glock.


Yaeger Btw also just replaced his Glock with a SIG.
Click to expand...

I'm not familiar with SIGs. I'm familiar with Browning's Hi-Power design, but if I'm using a single action pistol it's going to be of his earlier M1911 design. Because that's what I like.
 
FinnFox said:
Is there any reason to despise training when it comes to guns?




I'm pretty sure that with extensive training program you can reduce some gun violence, but it's working only when training is mandatory (so you need training to own/use gun, it can be similar to driving licence).

So I'm interested in possible reasoning why training would be bad idea. There should be one as most of gun owners - if I'm right - are without proper training. So.. argument against training is alive as there isn't need to organize training for gun owners (and make it mandatory). I like to know that argument and then we can throw this whole idea about training to trashcan. As people are better off without training and things can keep going like they are just now.
Click to expand...

Didnt watch the video


Training is a great idea and i recommend it but if you make it mandatory its a problem so thats why it ends up in the trashcan and rightfully so. Driving is not a right so the comparison quickly fails and is not analogous.

There have been some good ideas around it though . . maybe training completion gives one a tax credit or expands a carry license nationally etc. Something like that would be good. Somebody once suggested that maybe its required within 5 years(and the training would have to be free)

but making it mandatory and required before one is sold a gun takes infringes on the right and empowers criminals :shrug:
 
RF667799 said:
Yes, I do. I've owned a few.
Click to expand...

So you've owned a few striker fire pistols but don't know much about the SIG ?

Are you aware of how it beat the Glock in a US Army test to become the new sidearm for the US Army? Yet the British army found the Glock was better (also a striker fired pistol).
 
Rich2018 said:
So you've owned a few striker fire pistols but don't know much about the SIG ?

Are you aware of how it beat the Glock in a US Army test to become the new sidearm for the US Army? Yet the British army found the Glock was better (also a striker fired pistol).
Click to expand...

There are a lot of striker fired pistols other than the SIG. So sorry Rich, I don't know much about the SIG having never fired, handled, repaired or felt curious enough to research that particular striker fired pistol. I imagine there's a good chance it has bling rails on it and I usually gloss right over those when looking at pistols in a display case.

Any point to this interrogation?
 
RF667799 said:
There are a lot of striker fired pistols other than the SIG. So sorry Rich, I don't know much about the SIG having never fired, handled, repaired or felt curious enough to research that particular striker fired pistol. I imagine there's a good chance it has bling rails on it and I usually gloss right over those when looking at pistols in a display case.

Any point to this interrogation?
Click to expand...

I've fired a Glock but not a SIG - there was an early suggestion, after the US Army adopted the SIG that it wasn't drop safe. But you find very few people who prefer a Glock over a SIG.


Sorry if you felt interrogated.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom