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[W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

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Rich2018 said:
When has mandartory national registration been tried in the USA ?
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It hasn't. Because people much smarter than you.. with a lot more common sense realize that it won't do a thing to help solve crime etc.

Those people have done research on things like other countries like Canada that have tried registration of handguns... in order to keep handguns out of the hands of criminals.

And what is the firearm most used by criminals in Canada? Ooops handguns.

They have done research on the long gun registration in Canada.. and if failed so miserably that even the Canadian officials backed away from it.

Of course..for the US... there have been trials for registration... and they fail.. because even folks like my Dad..who hasn't had even a speeding ticket in 50 years... wouldn't comply with registration..

Much less a criminal. And registration is defeated by a 1.50 metal file. Done.

You just can't get around the facts.
 
Rich2018 said:
So what, I don't value yours and I certainly don't believe that a complete ban on guns will see a domestics cottage industry grow like back yard moonshine in the 1920's.
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Because that's not how industry happens right. All industrialized production started out exactly as big as they are now.

This is why your opinion is of no value it's moronic.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Because that's not how industry happens right. All industrialized production started out exactly as big as they are now.

This is why your opinion is of no value it's moronic.
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Nope, that's not how a modern, technologically produced items is made from gun to washing machines to cars.

Personal insult reported.
 
Rich2018 said:
Nope, that's not how a modern, technologically produced items is made from gun to washing machines to cars.

Personal insult reported.
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yeah and I guess these companies that manufacture modern technology just sprouted up at the size they are today.

Because that makes all the sense in the world.

Please keep posting this is hilarious.
 
CLAX1911 said:
yeah and I guess these companies that manufacture modern technology just sprouted up at the size they are today.

Because that makes all the sense in the world.

Please keep posting this is hilarious.
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No they started small quite often - though some were created by government to make arms for the military.

Others started making something else - usually a lot simpler.

For instance the Jaguar car company started out making sidecars for motorbikes.



Please keep posting, your posts are even more hilarious.
In fact the hilarity level is off the scale.
I haven't laughed as much since a poster said guns save millions of lives per year.
 
Rich2018 said:
No they started small quite often - though some were created by government to make arms for the military.

Others started making something else - usually a lot simpler.

For instance the Jaguar car company started out making sidecars for motorbikes.
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The idea that no industry can grow out of a backyard it's just patently absurd. That's where most of them came from.
 
Rich2018 said:
How can you prove something that doesn't exist ?

What proof would you accept that some gun crimes didn't happen because gun registration deterred a would be criminal ?

I love this "no evidence" claim.


National registration would make law enforcement investigations of gun related crime easier in many cases and increased convictions not only serve as a deterrent but also prevent additional crimes as the criminal is now behind bars.
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you are making stuff up-in areas where there is registration, there is no proof it helped solve crimes. and the deterrent bit is a faith based bit of nonsense,.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The idea that no industry can grow out of a backyard it's just patently absurd. That's where most of them came from.
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I just said they did.

But you're talking about transplanting machinery that produce today's guns into a back yard machine shop, now that is laughable.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are making stuff up-in areas where there is registration, there is no proof it helped solve crimes. and the deterrent bit is a faith based bit of nonsense,.
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You said there was "no evidence" when there can't be evidence of nothing and then claim I'm the one making stuff up ?


Where has there been registration ?


There has been registration in the UK since the last mass shooting in 1996...since then there's been just ONE mass shooting since 1996.

But where has gun registration been tried alone and when and when did it end ?
 
Rich2018 said:
I just said they did.
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so your argument is bipolar to make room for your religious views regarding guns.

This is why what you think doesn't matter. Your reality is tainted.
But you're talking about transplanting machinery that produce today's guns into a back yard machine shop, now that is laughable.
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people already do that.

you can laugh all day long but it has already happened.

I had somebody with machine shop not exactly in the backyard but pretty close produce a new slide and barrel for one of my guns. So if reality is laughable to you I'm sorry for you.
 
Rich2018 said:
God, they look crude and those rifles look suspiciously like British Lee-Enfield No 4's. I think the home made gun smith just carved a new stock for them.
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And the SMLE were built from scatch. As are many in Afghanistan.

Your statement about the stock is incorrect.. Had you knowledge of the SMLE you would realize this isnt a restock job.
 
Rich2018 said:
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I was asking where it had been tried and failed. You say Canada has tried a registration scheme - when was that and when did it end ?
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sure.

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But here is the thing man... why don't you know this? Huh? You know.. you get proved wrong.. over and over and over on this gun control forum. Over and OVER again.. you have been proven wrong. And you obviously don't know things like that registration has been tried in Canada etc.

YET...you continue to claim you and others that have as little knowledge as you do.. are right.

Somewhere.. somehow.. one would hope that you would get a little intellectual honesty.. and realize that your premise on gun control.. might just not be fact based.
 
CLAX1911 said:
so your argument is bipolar to make room for your religious views regarding guns.
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I suspect you know little or nothing about bipolar disorder or religion


This is why what you think doesn't matter.
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Yes it does, your opinion matters too if you can substantiate your claims - which frequently you can't.
Simply asserting a fact (as you did above) is worthless - even less so if it's intended as an insult which your comment was


people already do that.
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Examples ?
See what I mean, you assert facts with nothing to back them


I had somebody with machine shop not exactly in the backyard but pretty close produce a new slide and barrel for one of my guns. So if reality is laughable to you I'm sorry for you.
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Again information that is claimed by you

A bit like arguing with a Christian who "proves" god exists by referring to personal experience.
 
Rich2018 said:
Personal insult - reported.

You don't get to post like that.
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He didn't... he has shown you.. as have a lot of people that firearms can be relatively manufactured in sheds and machine shops.. and aren't "crude shotguns".

At this point.. you have been proven wrong.. and so when you continue to say "it has not been proven"... well then you are knowingly.. telling a lie.
 
Fledermaus said:
And the SMLE were built from scatch. As are many in Afghanistan....

Your statement about the stock is incorrect.. Had you knowledge of the SMLE you would realize this isnt a restock job.
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I call BS on it - I have actually fired a Lee Enfield No 4, I don't believe it can be built in a back yard machine shop in Afghanistan.


Besides why make a bolt action rifle ?

Incorrect on many levels. Autos were originally constructed in little more than carriage houses and work shops.
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Nope, you need a proper ordnance factory
 
Rich2018 said:
I suspect you know little or nothing about bipolar disorder or religion




Yes it does, your opinion matters too if you can substantiate your claims - which frequently you can't.
Simply asserting a fact (as you did above) is worthless - even less so if it's intended as an insult which your comment was




Examples ?
See what I mean, you assert facts with nothing to back them





Again information that is claimed by you

A bit like arguing with a Christian who "proves" god exists by referring to personal experience.
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Okay then. You can go ahead and continue living in your false reality.

I don't dwell there so I don't know the rules. Seems we're at an impasse discussion has ceased
 
Rich2018 said:
I call BS on it - I have actually fired a Lee Enfield No 4, I don't believe it can be built in a back yard machine shop in Afghanistan.


Besides why make a bolt action rifle ?
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And you would be wrong. you have been proven wrong.

Your "belief".. ignores the obvious facts.

Heck.. what do you think is so complicated by such a rifle? Its a very simple design which would be easily emulated by someone with a basic machine shop.

Why not make a bolt action rifle by the way?
 
jaeger19 said:
He didn't... he has shown you.. as have a lot of people that firearms can be relatively manufactured in sheds and machine shops.. and aren't "crude shotguns".

At this point.. you have been proven wrong.. and so when you continue to say "it has not been proven"... well then you are knowingly.. telling a lie.
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Yes they are - Google images of home made guns.

They look crude and are nothing like a modern, factory produced, firearm.

Certainly nothing capable of derailing a hypothetical gun ban in the USA.



Why not make a bolt action rifle by the way?
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Because even under the draconian UK gun laws, they're still legal to make and buy.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Okay then. You can go ahead and continue living in your false reality.

I don't dwell there so I don't know the rules. Seems we're at an impasse discussion has ceased
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By all means, you can continue to defend gun ownership on the ground that any gun ban would be made useless by a surge in home made gun production.
 
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