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[W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

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Rich2018 said:
Because if they're caught with a gun with the serial number removed, it is a dead giveaway and will result in immediate arrest.
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If a cop is involved in an encounter with someone and finds them with a firearm, wouldn't the cop also determine if the person is allowed to own a gun? If not, then laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns are pretty pointless, aye?
 
Tlrmln said:
If a cop is involved in an encounter with someone and finds them with a firearm, wouldn't the cop also determine if the person is allowed to own a gun? If not, then laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns are pretty pointless, aye?
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yeah this is where the registration fiction falls apart. we are told that registration allows cops to determine who can own guns. Its stupid. If the cops find someone with a gun, they run that person's record. If they are an 18 USC -922 prohibited person, they arrest the person. I guess some of the registration fans think the cops will go door to door asking if you have guns and if they are registered.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah this is where the registration fiction falls apart. we are told that registration allows cops to determine who can own guns. Its stupid. If the cops find someone with a gun, they run that person's record. If they are an 18 USC -922 prohibited person, they arrest the person. I guess some of the registration fans think the cops will go door to door asking if you have guns and if they are registered.
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I want registration tied to ballistic data. So when they find a body full of slugs or even some spent shells, they know whose gun was used.
 
Rich2018 said:
We know you don't read too well so here is the relevant bit:

"...It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to transport, ship, or receive...the message seems to be, if it isn’t there, it better not have ever been there ..."


What does "receive" mean in this case ?


So Fledermaus is wrong yet again, and just squirms about trying to deny it ?
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A serial number is not required on a fire arm unless it is being sold and is complete.
You can assemble a firearm for personal use and not have a serial number on it.


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calamity said:
I want registration tied to ballistic data. So when they find a body full of slugs or even some spent shells, they know whose gun was used.
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that only works if you know who had the gun. It really is not nearly the tool you think it is
 
TurtleDude said:
that only works if you know who had the gun. It really is not nearly the tool you think it is
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LEO can chase down the gun's progression. And, in my world, if someone cannot account for the next step taken by their gun, they get hit with a felony. Half the trouble are guns finding illegal owners.

So, if you happen to be the last legal one before it goes "missing," sorry about your luck.
 
calamity said:
LEO can chase down the gun's progression. And, in my world, if someone cannot account for the next step taken by their gun, they get hit with a felony. Half the trouble are guns finding illegal owners.

So, if you happen to be the last legal one before it goes "missing," sorry about your luck.
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So you would hold the victim of a crime responsible if someone else is actually the guilty party?
 
Chillfolks said:
So you would hold the victim of a crime responsible if someone else is actually the guilty party?
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You can report your gun stolen, if indeed it was. So, how are innocent victims being held responsible?

Oh, you mean the guy who ditched his gun and let it fall into the wrong hands should be given an exemption.

No. He should be tossed in jail.
 
calamity said:
You can report your gun stolen, if indeed it was. So, how are innocent victims being held responsible?

Oh, you mean the guy who ditched his gun and let it fall into the wrong hands should be given an exemption.

No. He should be tossed in jail.
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If I was out of town say visiting family for the holidays, and someone broke into my house and stole one of my guns then used it in a crime before I had gotten home would you hold me responsible?
 
calamity said:
LEO can chase down the gun's progression. And, in my world, if someone cannot account for the next step taken by their gun, they get hit with a felony. Half the trouble are guns finding illegal owners.

So, if you happen to be the last legal one before it goes "missing," sorry about your luck.
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more schemes by gun banners to criminalize behavior that is not objectively harmful
 
Chillfolks said:
So you would hold the victim of a crime responsible if someone else is actually the guilty party?
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gun banners hate legal gun owners. Just remember that. It is because legal gun owners generally oppose the leftist swill
 
TurtleDude said:
gun banners hate legal gun owners. Just remember that. It is because legal gun owners generally oppose the leftist swill
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No, like Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi said yesterday with regard to the Trump impeachment inquiry. We resent the word "hate" in the same sentence as us.

We don't "hate" gun owners or even their guns.

We seek to control the supply of guns and ammunition in the USA in order to save life and maiming.



This is a typical straw man statement from gun owners to demonize the gun control lobby - because they'd rather paint us us as villians and enemies of democracy and wanting them to die a defenseless death than face up to the reality of what the proliferation of guns causes.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes you can. People sell drugs even though that's illegal.
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Thank you for the smart comment.


I wonder why I forgot to add "legally" when there's posters like you


Pipe dreams aside registries are useless outside of future confiscation.
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Idiotic comment

A national register of guns would be "useless" for law enforcement ?
 
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Tlrmln said:
If a cop is involved in an encounter with someone and finds them with a firearm, wouldn't the cop also determine if the person is allowed to own a gun?
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No, not always

His/her department will check records though.
 
Fledermaus said:
Irrelevant goal post move.

The statement was own.
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How do you own a gun if you don't first buy it - home made guns are except as discussed and we are talking "legally" own.

You're attempt to move the goal posts has failed - again


Then my statements were true and you lied about my posts.
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No I made it clear in post #20 that guns made before 1968 didn't have to have a serial number on them AND I was specifically talking about it not being legal to own a gun where there HAD been a serial number and it had been intentionally removed.


YOU then in post #34 said it was not illegal to own a gun with no serial number. Period. No caveat.


Intentional dishonesty.
 
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Rich2018 said:
How do you own a gun if you don't first buy it
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Think....

Try just once to think.

Consider an object and how it may come into possession.

BTW - The whole buy/sell angle only mattered once it was shown by multiple posters that I was correct.

Textbook goalpost move.
 
Fledermaus said:
Think....

Try just once to think.

Consider an object and how it may come into possession.

BTW - The whole buy/sell angle only mattered once it was shown by multiple posters that I was correct.

Textbook goalpost move.
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I said "legally"

Clear case of trying to move the goalposts and intentional dishonesty.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is not going to go anywhere. As the article points out even if every financial institution was on board with this it would still take a government agency with a mechanism to process the data for certain habits, *then* you have to determine what law enforcement can do about it... if anything.

Feel good legislation, a name in the news... that is about all this is worth as it would not save the first life.
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^^^ Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!!!

The government can't even keep track of all of the criminals and prohibited persons who are legally banned from buying firearms. So how is focusing on law abiding citizens making legal purchases going to provide any useful information?

Here is a thought: How about executing criminals who have used guns during crimes during prior criminal acts rather than releasing them back into the public in the interest of "rehabilitation"?

There are THOUSANDS of laws already on the book to deal with criminals---- making new laws to target law abiding citizens solves nothing.
 
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