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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    Requiering fingerprints without a warrant would be an illegal search and seizure. Wanting to exercise your right is not crime therefore requiering someone to submit fingerprints in order to do so would be unconstitutional.
    What is being searched and what is being seized ?

    What is the difference between photographing you (taking an image of your face) and taking an image of your fingerprints ?
    Finger printing you these days is really just taking a digital image.

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    So fingerprints can be used to verify identity, what's the difference.

    OK, how can the 4th amendment be so used.
    What shootings will be prevented by the fingerprints?
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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    What is being searched and what is being seized ?

    What is the difference between photographing you (taking an image of your face) and taking an image of your fingerprints ?
    Finger printing you these days is really just taking a digital image.
    Having to submit fingerprints and have them run threw a database to prove you haven't committed a crime before you can exercise your rights is not how the US system works.

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    What shootings will be prevented by the fingerprints?
    None. It's about creating an unnecessary burden to discourage people from exercising a right.

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    Having to submit fingerprints and have them run threw a database to prove you haven't committed a crime before you can exercise your rights is not how the US system works.
    *through


    What about having to submit to having your face photographed before you can vote ?

    What's the difference ?

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    *through


    What about having to submit to having your face photographed before you can vote ?

    What's the difference ?
    Is that picture run through any database to prove you haven't committed a crime?

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    Is that picture run through any database to prove you haven't committed a crime?
    It's there to be used as such, as is a fingerprint image.

    There was a case recently where as escaped felon was caught by facial recognition of (I believe) a Florida driving license database.

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Sorry, you weren't aware of this ?
    no I'm just not in favor of living under the fourth Reich not interested. You can find places that I like that I recommend North Korea I hear it's cold in the winter



    Not according to the SC ruling that ruled that anyone (over a certain age) in the USA can bear arms - it even ruled there is no maxim age like the militia may have
    what do you mean when you say the militia?



    He used a massive bomb,
    how is a bomb a military? I have a friend serving in the military is he a bomb?
    not something a civilian usually just picks up but something you would expect only the military to have
    well it's illegal to possess explosives like that without extensive licensing. It's almost like he didn't care about the law and just killed people anyway almost like bomb control didn't work.




    He thought so, he thought he was opposing tyranny
    why does it matter what he thought?




    No
    I'll explain in this will explain the issue just above you can think something and not be correct.



    Then those guns need to be confiscated too
    but they're not so donuts getting my gun would just make me the victim of someone who has a gun that you can't confiscate.




    "She" ?

    Sorry but to claim that a good portion of America will rise up in civil war to protect the right to have guns is pure fantasy.
    I doubt your claim.
    You might have some lunatics like McVeigh but most will stand in line and meekly hand over their guns. You included.
    I doubt this claim too

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    no I'm just not in favor of living under the fourth Reich not interested. You can find places that I like that I recommend North Korea I hear it's cold in the winter
    So's Minnesota (cold in Winter that is)

    You think it's the 4th Reich to take someone's guns following an accident or negligent discharge where someone was wounded or killed ?


    what do you mean when you say the militia?
    More to the point, what did the SC mean - the adult population of the USA (less those banned from owning firearms like convicted felons etc)

    how is a bomb a military?
    Civilians don't normally have bombs
    The military do.

    well it's illegal to possess explosives like that without extensive licensing.
    So what? Criminals don't obey laws by definition


    It's almost like he didn't care about the law and just killed people anyway almost like bomb control didn't work.
    Err, I'd say he didn't care about the law


    why does it matter what he thought?
    Because many, including you, spout nonsense about a civil war. McVeigh thought he was opposing his government. He felt it was his right. So the question is, are you OK with a citizen unilaterally deciding when to take up arms against his government ?


    I'll explain in this will explain the issue just above you can think something and not be correct.
    Huh ?


    but they're not so donuts getting my gun would just make me the victim of someone who has a gun that you can't confiscate.
    Excuse 2.2


    I doubt your claim.
    You mean you fantasize


    I doubt this claim too

    Nope, you'll be there standing in line...all your big talk will be nothing but hot air.

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    Re: [W:195]Wexton bill would use credit card data to track firearms purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    So's Minnesota (cold in Winter that is)

    You think it's the 4th Reich to take someone's guns following an accident or negligent discharge where someone was wounded or killed ?
    No, but to suggest to take away everyone's got because of some incident is.



    More to the point, what did the SC mean - the adult population of the USA (less those banned from owning firearms like convicted felons etc)



    Civilians don't normally have bombs
    The military do.
    how is a bomb a military?


    So what? Criminals don't obey laws by definition




    Err, I'd say he didn't care about the law




    Because many, including you, spout nonsense about a civil war. McVeigh thought he was opposing his government. He felt it was his right. So the question is, are you OK with a citizen unilaterally deciding when to take up arms against his government ?




    Huh ?




    Excuse 2.2




    You mean you fantasize





    Nope, you'll be there standing in line...all your big talk will be nothing but hot air.
    Doubt your claim.

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