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SCOTUS To Review NYC's Handgun Transportation Restriction

Rich2018 said:
So having to have CCW license to concealed carry is a violation ?
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Definitely.

The very idea of needing a license from the government in order to exercise a constitutionally protected right is absurd.
 
Rich2018 said:
So all states violate the 2nd amendment in your mind ?
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I'm not familiar with the gun control laws of every state, but if their laws are not consistent with the 2nd amendment, then of course, yes.

Permits, licensing, registration, and all of the other bureaucratic nonsense that the left uses to disarm people are clear violations of the right to keep and bear arms.
 
Rich2018 said:
Are there any weapons (firearms that is) that US police re banned from having ?
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I'm not sure, but if it's available to police it should be available to everyone else.
 
Chillfolks said:
I'm not sure, but if it's available to police it should be available to everyone else.
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That's pretty much everything. With no licensing at all.

When you say "everyone else" who do you mean ?


I assume you're only referring to people over 18.
 
aociswundumho said:
I'm not familiar with the gun control laws of every state, but if their laws are not consistent with the 2nd amendment, then of course, yes.

Permits, licensing, registration, and all of the other bureaucratic nonsense that the left uses to disarm people are clear violations of the right to keep and bear arms.
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Georgia, is a "red" state - why do you think it issues a CCW ?
 
Rich2018 said:
That's pretty much everything. With no licensing at all.

When you say "everyone else" who do you mean ?


I assume you're only referring to people over 18.
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Anyone who would legally be able to own a firearm.
 
Chillfolks said:
I'm not exactly sure what your getting at by the Georgia reference can you explain a little more

If I'm guessing it's something along these lines;

In a perfect world I would say yes, any state that requires a permit to Conceal Carry is violating the second. However I understand our world is far from perfect nd am willing to allow some concession on the issue. If I had my way I would at least require every state to recognize a permit issued in a different state the same way a driving permit is recognized or a marriage from another state is recognized.
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There is no constitutional requirement that states recognize other states permits, etc. In the case of driving and marriage it's done for convenience, at the state's agreement. Permits to practice medicine or law or teach are often not recognized by other than the issuing state.

The constitution grants this power to the states. Of course it is arguable whether or not permits or any sort "infringe" on rights.
 
Chillfolks said:
Again in a perfect world yes but we don't live in a perfect world.

I personally am ok conceding some reasonable restrictions on places on can not carry. Courts would be an example. I am ok with not allowing people who are consuming alcoholic beverages to carry while doing so in public places. I do think the government restrictions on new automatic weapons is a violation, I would prefer that any citizen can own any weapon that a police force is able to have assuming they complete the same training requirements.
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Though I support the idea, I don't think it would be wildly popular for requiring training for gun ownership. The police are also subject to continuing psychological standards, which could be considered also.
 
JMR said:
Though I support the idea, I don't think it would be wildly popular for requiring training for gun ownership. The police are also subject to continuing psychological standards, which could be considered also.
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I would say a compromise could be reached that the training and psychological standards only would be needed for fully automatic weapon ownership.
 
I suspect this one will be a no show. Roberts is likely to agree to rendering the case moot. That does not mean that others will not get to issue a dissent.
 
Rich2018 said:
Like what specialist cases ?
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Like people in jail or mental institutions for example.
Are there any groups of people, currently ineligible to own a gun, who you think should be ?
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None violent felons who have repaid their obligations to society.
 
Chillfolks said:
I would say a compromise could be reached that the training and psychological standards only would be needed for fully automatic weapon ownership.
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That would be a good start. Now I'm ducking the expected barrage.;)
 
Chillfolks said:
Like people in jail or mental institutions for example.

None violent felons who have repaid their obligations to society.
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How about people who commit a misdemeanor with a gun, like threaten some with it (and that can be just showing the firearm in a rad rage incident)
 
Rich2018 said:
How about people who commit a misdemeanor with a gun, like threaten some with it (and that can be just showing the firearm in a rad rage incident)
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That is already illegal.
 
Rich2018 said:
How about people who commit a misdemeanor with a gun, like threaten some with it (and that can be just showing the firearm in a rad rage incident)
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It would depend on what the misdemeanor was.

In the example given, once they are convicted I would temporarily suspend their right to have a gun outside of their personal property for a probationary period assuming they did not violate that suspension they would be able to regain full rights upon its completion. Also as part of their probation I would require a successful completion of an anger management program and be required to complete a gun saftey course.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes, and you will lose your firearms rights, certainly your CCW if you have one.
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So your point is that such behavior is already covered ......
 
Rich2018 said:
So having to have CCW license to concealed carry is a violation ?
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Nice strawman. Any chance you could respond to the actual issue in ludin's comment?
 
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