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Another Good Guy with a Gun...

Get serious. That’s like saying a rifle or a bow is a stick, or a B-17 was an airplane.

a tank is usually a platform and transportation for weapons. unarmed, its basically a very expensive bulldozer
 
Murder rate has declined in the US along with other crimes due to demographics, tougher sentencing and I presume other factors.

Hi.

Welcome to the point I made days ago. The murder rate has very little to do with gun laws. It has everything to do with demographics. So, I assume we can stop talking about new guns laws now?

Thanks for playing.
 
Just another good guy with a gun. Meet Mr. "My .357 is comfortable with that."

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And people wonder why I say too many gun owners are nowhere near emotionally balanced enough to own a freaking gun.
 
"retaliation" can take many forms. Especially if your the one being retaliated against with no idea why.

I meant when you've been wronged and some had fled, you can't "punish" them for attacking you in the first place and shoot after them if they flee.


The death toll would skyrocket if everyone thought as you did Rich.

No, it would drop hugely.

No-one would have privately owned guns except maybe drug gangs....a maybe a few citizens with shotguns and single action sporting rifles.

The recent shootings at US Navy bases and Jersey just wouldn't happen

Seeking and disarming EVERYONE isn't the same thing. If you think for a hot second criminals are just going to hand them over you are delusional. Hell a lot of pro gun people wouldn't which would make them criminals.

Criminals would throw the gun away or hand it in - in the UK the government gave a decent price for guns handed in. Those pro gun people will stand in line and hand in their guns...those that don't will face still fines (and a mean really punitive) and/or jail sentences - few will rather go to jail.

Sure, they'll be a few "martyrs" but the news media will hammer the message home.


I don't even know what your excuses are anymore. 2-2.1-2.2-3 etc.

Excuse 2 is that guns are needed
Excuse 2.1 - to hunt for food where you're too far away from a store
Excuse 2.2 - for self defense because without a gun you'll be raped/murdered.robbed etc inside an hour/day/week/month/year (delete as appropriate)
Excuse 2.3 - (a newly added one) to oppose a Tyrant in the White House
 
Murder rate has declined in the US along with other crimes due to demographics, tougher sentencing and I presume other factors.

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Wait...so you acknowledge that the murder rate has declined... while gun sales went through the roof.

Hmmm.. and here you are saying.. murder rate declined because of demongraphics.. tougher sentences etc...

Gee.... don't you think it makes more sense then to focus on those other factors... when you basically have acknowledged that guns have little to do with the murder rate (cuz if it did.. then gun sales going up should have coincided with murders going up but it didn't)
 
Get serious. That’s like saying a rifle or a bow is a stick, or a B-17 was an airplane.

Well a B-17 was a bomber intended to drop bombs whereas a tank was a tracked vehicle, many of which carried some kind of gun. However there are plenty of tanks with no guns, though almost all have a provision to mount a machine gun at least.
 
Wait...so you acknowledge that the murder rate has declined... while gun sales went through the roof.

Hmmm.. and here you are saying.. murder rate declined because of demongraphics.. tougher sentences etc...

Gee.... don't you think it makes more sense then to focus on those other factors... when you basically have acknowledged that guns have little to do with the murder rate (cuz if it did.. then gun sales going up should have coincided with murders going up but it didn't)

Mass shootings have risen though to virtually one per day in the USA.
 
Google is your friend, don't be so lazy as to hide behind it. Jesus.



Again, the murder rate in the US over the past 10, 20, 30, and 40 years has declined faster than other developed nations, including those that effectively ban guns. Again, re-read that. Our murder rate has declined, faster than our anti-gun peers, despite the number of guns in the nation exploding. Negative correlation.

How many gun crimes are committed because of a gun that was purchased from a gun-show loophole? Is it even measurable? Yet somehow you want us to go along with things like nation registries? Yea, hard pass.

The issue in Tombstone was that there were so many criminals with guns they couldn't be controlled. Chicago has this very same problem despite rampant gun control, explain.
Without a cite Your comments cannot be found credible
 
Mass shootings have risen though to virtually one per day in the USA.

mass shootings cause a minuscule amount of deaths. In California -over the last three decades-it is less than five deaths a year. Gun banners scream about mass shootings because they think accentuating such news, will help their pathetic factual support
 
Without a cite Your comments cannot be found credible

asked and answered and why didn't you question Rich's claim about mass shootings. If you want to discuss gun issues, you should know the basic facts.
 
Mass shootings have risen though to virtually one per day in the USA.

Yep... while overall violent crime has dropped.

So.. regardless of mass shootings on the rise... overall.. I am safer in America than I was a couple of decades ago.

Just the facts.
 
Yep... while overall violent crime has dropped.

So.. regardless of mass shootings on the rise... overall.. I am safer in America than I was a couple of decades ago.

Just the facts.

I feel safe enough to not have a gun.

Still 10,000 gun homicides per year.
 
mass shootings cause a minuscule amount of deaths. In California -over the last three decades-it is less than five deaths a year. Gun banners scream about mass shootings because they think accentuating such news, will help their pathetic factual support

What is your criteria for "minniscule".

You talk like deaths from mass shootings is almost non-existent.

Don't forget that there are far more people shot and survive - at huge personal cost - than die.
 
Hi.

Welcome to the point I made days ago. The murder rate has very little to do with gun laws. It has everything to do with demographics. So, I assume we can stop talking about new guns laws now?

Thanks for playing.

No, fewer guns still mean fewer gun deaths, all things being equal. Can you at least consider that?
 
Wait...so you acknowledge that the murder rate has declined... while gun sales went through the roof.

Hmmm.. and here you are saying.. murder rate declined because of demongraphics.. tougher sentences etc...

Gee.... don't you think it makes more sense then to focus on those other factors... when you basically have acknowledged that guns have little to do with the murder rate (cuz if it did.. then gun sales going up should have coincided with murders going up but it didn't)

So I see, you fear considering the easily available weapons as a factor. I mention demographics or more people in jail as factors, and the response of some is “that’s it!”, and only it.
 
I feel safe enough to not have a gun.

Still 10,000 gun homicides per year.

Great... don't have a gun.

And I have probably over 30.. so.. see we are both safe.. and happy.
 
So I see, you fear considering the easily available weapons as a factor. I mention demographics or more people in jail as factors, and the response of some is “that’s it!”, and only it.

Well.. yes.. because all the available research SHOWS THAT THE "easily available weapons".. ARE NOT.. ARE NOT... ARE NOT.. a factor. Japan..where guns are almost non existent. Higher suicide rate than the US. Mexico.. with fewer guns than the US..with draconian gun laws.. more dangerous than the us.

We KNOW.. without a doubt.. that "easily available weapons".. are not a factor. We KNOW.. as all studies and information show.. that things like demographics, law enforcement, economics and healthcare are the factors that matter.

BUT.. despite KNOWING THIS.. what is the focus "but its the guns".. from folks like yourself. No matter the facts... you focus on the guns. And completely divert from the factors that WORK.

The fellow in Sandyhook had a history of mental illness.. his mother apparently tried to get him help and failed. He KILLED HER AND STOLE HER GUNS..

And your answer? Its not.. "gee maybe we need to have better mental health"...its "BACKGROUND CHECKS".

The same with the young man in florida.. the same with the soldier with the PTSD that shot up a nightclub.

PERISH the THOUGHT.. that gee...maybe we need to address the giant hole we have in mental health services in this country..and stop not only a good portion of the mass shootings like Sandyhook.. but also dramatically reduce suicides of ALL TYPES.... not just "suicide with gun".. which you liberal seem to only care about.

Yeah.. as a medical provider.. that's what I fear.. that we continue to focus on the gun.. when every piece of information shows is not the issue... and not on the factors that REALLY matter.
 
No, fewer guns still mean fewer gun deaths, all things being equal. Can you at least consider that?

Yep.. but as has been shown.. gun deaths is a meaningless statistic.
 
No, fewer guns still mean fewer gun deaths, all things being equal. Can you at least consider that?

Fewer cars, fewer car deaths. If your true aim (no pun intended) is to save lives, can you at least consider that? Better mental health care and supporting legislation would help prevent about 2/3s of those gun deaths, if not more.
 
Your choice. Some people choose not to have cars.

Still, 40,000 vehicles fatalities per year. 4.5 Million serious injuries. Banning cars in favor of public transportation doesn't even involve a Constitutional right.

2018 Third Consecutive Year of at Least 40,000 Motor Vehicle Deaths -- Occupational Health & Safety

What-about-ism

Stay on topic.


Next you'll talk about swimming pool accidents. And since you're the man who advocated legalizing heroin, what do you can about death as long as it's not your own.
Crocodile tears.
 
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