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Another Good Guy with a Gun...

Praxas said:
1.25 million people die everyday in auto crashes. Fact is in this story, what the person did was illegal. It's good the person is being charged for this negligence. It's still silly to vilify an object. For example, one person could say that if guns were banned, this death would not have happened. You can also then say if cars were banned, than this death wouldn't have happened. Either is silly IMO and misses the point that a person is the problem, not the object.
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So you support heavy regulations on gun ownership and operation, similar to those in place on cars?
 
TurtleDude said:
see, that comment proves my point. You loathe the gun culture, and hide your loathing by a facade of carrying for"innocents"
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You're moving the goal posts again.

Is there any amount of gun violence that would make you agree to a gun ban. ?

If no, then the earlier answer stands

QED.
 
Digger said:
So you support heavy regulations on gun ownership and operation, similar to those in place on cars?
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Sure, when there is over 1 million deaths per year due to guns of course. Keep in mind we have heavy regulations on cars and there is STILL 1.25 million deaths a year. So you're saying there is only 40,000 deaths per year due to guns and they aren't heavily regulated, I'd call that a success compared to the auto industry. Maybe you should be concentrating on getting those 1.25 million auto deaths per year down to the same levels as those deaths due to guns. You're concentrating on the wrong thing.
 
TurtleDude said:
when people who dishonestly claim they are motivated by saving lives-yet they only whine about guns, I call bs on that.
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and i, in turn, declare your ^ post bs

one must not be exclusively concerned about unnecessary gun deaths to find it to be a substantial issue in need of a solution

your post is nothing but deflection from my observation that you find a few thousand unnecessary annual gun deaths trivial
 
TurtleDude said:
I suspect it is not. Do you know differently? most states ban such activities for obvious reasons.
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your question should be directed to a competent attorney
 
Praxas said:
Sure, when there is over 1 million deaths per year due to guns of course. Keep in mind we have heavy regulations on cars and there is STILL 1.25 million deaths a year. So you're saying there is only 40,000 deaths per year due to guns and they aren't heavily regulated, I'd call that a success compared to the auto industry. Maybe you should be concentrating on getting those 1.25 million auto deaths per year down to the same levels as those deaths due to guns. You're concentrating on the wrong thing.
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A major case of what-about-ism


Yes more can be done to reduce US road deaths. Cars are pretty safe now...I'd get rid of traffice lights in favor of round-abouts

Driving on the left would help but that's too big a step for many people.

However are you saying that US road deaths are the ONLY cause worth championing ?


Also road deaths in the USA are around 37,000 pa, not 1.25 million



Road Safety Facts — Association for Safe International Road Travel
 
Praxas said:
Sure, when there is over 1 million deaths per year due to guns of course. Keep in mind we have heavy regulations on cars and there is STILL 1.25 million deaths a year. So you're saying there is only 40,000 deaths per year due to guns and they aren't heavily regulated, I'd call that a success compared to the auto industry. Maybe you should be concentrating on getting those 1.25 million auto deaths per year down to the same levels as those deaths due to guns. You're concentrating on the wrong thing.
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Dude, you still have that stat all ****ed up. :doh
 
Rich2018 said:
A major case of what-about-ism


Yes more can be done to reduce US road deaths. Cars are pretty safe now...I'd get rid of traffice lights in favor of round-abouts

Driving on the left would help but that's too big a step for many people.

However are you saying that US road deaths are the ONLY cause worth championing ?


Also road deaths in the USA are around 37,000 pa, not 1.25 million



Road Safety Facts — Association for Safe International Road Travel
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I've seen a lot of stupid **** written in this sub-forum. But, damn. Just damn. "1.25 million annual car deaths" :2rofll:
 
calamity said:
I've seen a lot of stupid **** written in this sub-forum. But, damn. Just damn. "1.25 million annual car deaths" :2rofll:
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Yeah 1.25 million a year would seem quite a few even for the USA


In 10 years that's equivalent to all of Georgia


Some people regurgitate the first number they see without even thinking and call it a fact.


Notice how angry he was about it, like it had been bugging him for years....
 
Digger said:
Ok, mind reader. So what is the motivation?
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people who actually followed the thread would note that I pointed out that these gun banners don't worry about other causes of death that kill far more people. So obviously their motivations aren't based on what they claim
 
Digger said:
So you support heavy regulations on gun ownership and operation, similar to those in place on cars?
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I realize you haven't been around on this board very long, but that stupid comparison has been raised and destroyed dozens of times. You can buy cars in any state of the union-not so with guns. You cannot buy a gun from a private citizen from another state. You cannot buy a handgun from a licensed dealer in another state. Unlike driver's licenses, your CCW permit might not be give FF and credit in another state. You can buy cars that are of higher top speeds or better performance than anything the cops have. You don't need a license to operate a car on private property.
 
justabubba said:
and i, in turn, declare your ^ post bs

one must not be exclusively concerned about unnecessary gun deaths to find it to be a substantial issue in need of a solution

your post is nothing but deflection from my observation that you find a few thousand unnecessary annual gun deaths trivial
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yet you gun banners only whine about gun deaths. why is it that almost every gun banner is a left winger? that suggests gun banning is mainly a political weapon-not a real tool for public safety. and when gun banners try to smear good gun owners or call guns " the precious" or "toys", the cultural hatred aspect is patently obvious.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yeah 1.25 million a year would seem quite a few even for the USA


In 10 years that's equivalent to all of Georgia


Some people regurgitate the first number they see without even thinking and call it a fact.


Notice how angry he was about it, like it had been bugging him for years....
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Dude, if 1.25 million Americans died each year in car crashes, he wouldn't be the only guy to be angry. But, it is funny to see that he is the only guy to believe something like that.
 
Rich2018 said:
"In 2016 there were 161,374 deaths from unintentional injuries, the overall 3rd ranking cause of death that year.

From 2006-2016, almost 6,885 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings. In 2016 alone, there were 495 incidents of accidental firearm deaths.
Accidental gun deaths occur mainly in those under 25 years old. In 2014, 2,549 children (age 0-19) died by gunshot and an additional 13,576 were injured.
Adolescents are particularly susceptible to accidental shootings due to specific behavioral characteristics associated with adolescence, such as impulsivity, feelings of invincibility, and curiosity about firearms.

In the US, over 1.69 million kids age 18 and under are living in households with loaded and unlocked firearms, setting the scene for possible tragedy if firearms are not locked and stored properly.
A study from 2014 showed that those people that died from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control.
A 2001 study found that regardless of age, people are nine times more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns.

The number of deaths due to firearms each year is gathered using death certificates and medical examiner reports. Firearm deaths include homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings. The Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics publishes statistics in a mortality database that includes causes of deaths determined by coroners, medical examiners, and attending physicians..."



Examining Accidental Shooting Death Statistics
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So not that many? Thank you for proving my point. ;)
 
calamity said:
Dude, if 1.25 million Americans died each year in car crashes, he wouldn't be the only guy to be angry. But, it is funny to see that he is the only guy to believe something like that.
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Yeah I imagine he's laying pretty low right now.
 
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