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Gun Sales Surge In October As 2020 Dems Unveil Gun Control Proposals

Rich2018 said:
Other than to correct your grammar and draw attention to the fact you haven't listed such a poll or study ?

You fail again.
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You mean the poll or study I initially asked you to produce. No...I haven't listed that. :roll:
 
RF667799 said:
You mean the poll or study I initially asked you to produce. No...I haven't listed that. :roll:
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No, you asked on post# 34:


"Oh yeah? So what is the margin of error in the data you presented and how was it determined?"


You were asked in which poll, I've referenced several polls, sorry


You fail again.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, you asked on post# 34:


"Oh yeah? So what is the margin of error in the data you presented and how was it determined?"


You were asked in which poll, I've referenced several polls, sorry


You fail again.
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I made a generalized remark about how I would answer a poll question. You seemed to think that was explained away by "margin of error". I wanted to know how a pollster could account for deliberately false answers he has no way to ascertain are false. You obviously didn't want to discuss anything like that as evidenced by your digression into "which poll", "in which poll", etc.

Sorry I followed you down your false trail.
 
RF667799 said:
I made a generalized remark about how I would answer a poll question. You seemed to think that was explained away by "margin of error"....
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It would be


...I wanted to know how a pollster could account for deliberately false answers he has no way to ascertain are false....
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Understanding the margin of error in election polls | Pew Research Center




...Sorry I followed you down your false trail.
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Follow your own false trail



You fail again
 
RF667799 said:
I still want to know how a pollster could account for deliberately false answers he has no way to ascertain are false. It doesn't seem to be explained by something you googled to contain the phrase "margin of error".
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By increasing the sample size and/or adjusting the margin for error.
 
Rich2018 said:
By increasing the sample size and/or adjusting the margin for error.
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Increasing the sample size?

Would he have some reason to believe that a larger sample would include a lesser portion of people who chose to deliberately give a false answer?
 
Rich2018 said:
Asking more people.
That's what it means.






Yes, now you're getting it.
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Okay. Now how will he determine how many people did in fact answer untruthfully in his later survey? How will he know how many who said they didn't have a gun, do in fact have a gun?
 
RF667799 said:
Okay. Now how will he determine how many people did in fact answer untruthfully in his later survey? How will he know how many who said they didn't have a gun, do in fact have a gun?
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we don't have national gun registration (thank God). These polls are at best guestimations. When you ask questions that will cause a significant amount of respondents to be dishonest, the poll has no value. My wife received a call and someone asked her about whether we owned guns. She said-in a pissed off voice" OF COURSE NOT. Caller ID can be spoofed. She had no idea who the caller really was. Might have been legit, might have been someone looking to steal stuff.
 
RF667799 said:
Okay. Now how will he determine how many people did in fact answer untruthfully in his later survey? How will he know how many who said they didn't have a gun, do in fact have a gun?
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Cross referencing with other similar polls.


You fail again.
 
RF667799 said:
No, that doesn't answer the question.
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The question was "how will he determine how many people did in fact answer untruthfully in his later survey?"


So how do you know if a significant part of your sample is lying.

The answer is to cross reference with other polls.

If they produce consistent results they are more believable.

Do you understand now ?


You fail again.
 
Rich2018 said:
The question was "how will he determine how many people did in fact answer untruthfully in his later survey?"


So how do you know if a significant part of your sample is lying.

The answer is to cross reference with other polls.

If they produce consistent results they are more believable.

Do you understand now ?


You fail again.
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Ludicrous. You polling the same people as in the first poll or are you polling another set of people? What if the people who give an untruthful answer to that question is a consistent sub-set?
 
RF667799 said:
Ludicrous. You polling the same people as in the first poll or are you polling another set of people? What if the people who give an untruthful answer to that question is a consistent sub-set?
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How do you know it's the same people.

What is your experience of polling ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Cross referencing with other similar polls.


You fail again.
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The real fail is your argument. I don't think you have convinced a single person that there is a valid reason to ban guns or take guns from honest people. Your frantic attempts to complain about gun ownership only makes your posts look frantic.
 
TurtleDude said:
The real fail is your argument. I don't think you have convinced a single person that there is a valid reason to ban guns or take guns from honest people....
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You mean convinced a single gun owner ?

Is that not to be expected ? But some gun owners choose to give up their guns...why is that ?
 
Rich2018 said:
You mean convinced a single gun owner ?

Is that not to be expected ? But some gun owners choose to give up their guns...why is that ?
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generally financial or legal reasons
 
Rich2018 said:
How do you know it's the same people.

What is your experience of polling ?
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I asked it if was the same people.

The real question remains: How do you determine who deliberately responded in the negative, but who do in fact have a gun?
 
RF667799 said:
I asked it if was the same people...
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Almost certainly not


The real question remains: How do you determine who deliberately responded in the negative, but who do in fact have a gun?
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By comparing it to other polls (source confirmation) and asking a lot of people (sample size)
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, keep in mind, there are many so-called 'conservatives' who worshipfully treat firearms as totemistic, masturbatory fetishes. They practically sexualize and venerate them as holy objects.

Some on this very board.
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Wow.. welll I guess you figure your credibility can't go any LOWER...
 
Rich2018 said:
Asking more people.
That's what it means.






Yes, now you're getting it.
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Yeah sorry but not true.

The fact is that polls on who owns guns.. are actually more polls on how many people are likely to tell a stranger over the phone that they own a firearm.

Okay imagine you get a phone call..

"Hello.. we would like to ask you a few questions for our poll".

You"okay shoot".

"yes thanks"... Do you have cash in your house"?

You "umm yes"

"okay.. would you say that you kept 0-3000 in cash, 3000- 5000 in cash or more than 5000 in cash in your home"..

You "uhhhhhh".

Seems pretty silly right? I mean are you really going to tell a stranger.. over the phone.. how much cash you keep on hand.. where you keep it.. how you secure it if you do, and whether others in your household have access to this cash?

Now..imagine a gun owner.. being asked by a stranger..who has their phone number (and could look up their address).. about how many guns they have..what they are..where they are kept..and what security is on the firearms...

Just how likely do you think a person is going to answer truthfully?

You anti gunners are so silly.

The reality is that gun ownership in this country is way way UNDER reported for that very reason.. and despite that..the number of people owning firearms has gone UP..not down. that's because while the percentage of people that own guns per these polls.. has been roughly the same or within a few percentage points (which probably actually denotes prevailing attitudes toward telling people about your firearms).. the population has dramatically increased.. which means the actual total number of people owning firearms has increased.

And when you factor in that gun ownership has increased with more women buying firearms.. (as evidenced by all the firearms with pink on them).. and more minorities buying firearms... and more concealed weapons permit applications... gun ownership has been on the rise for years.

Attitudes toward people admitting they own firearms has waxed and waned however.

You anti's never get it... there just is so many gun owners.. its why you lose all the time on these issues... its not some mysterious powerful gun lobby.. its the fact that millions and millions of people own firearms.. or live in homes or have relatives that own firearms.
 
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