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Gun in Home Kills Loved ones and Owner

Rich2018 said:
YOU made the point about medical deaths and mal-practice, you were wrong and your figures de-bunked.
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and you were unable to understand that the actual numbers were not important
 
TurtleDude said:
and you were unable to understand that the actual numbers were not important
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You can't just pull numbers out of your ass and expect to be taken serious. :doh
 
Rich2018 said:
Because they were FALSE

You posted false figures.
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and you missed the point. the issue is not how many people die from medical mistakes. The issue is this-if you gun banners were really motivated about saving innocent lives, rather than harassing conservative gun owners, you'd target things that kill more innocents than guns. AND YOU DO NOT
 
calamity said:
You can't just pull numbers out of your ass and expect to be taken serious. :doh
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This is coming from a guy who constantly lies about gun issues? and you missed the point. It doesn't matter if there are 100K deaths due to medical mistakes or 440K. What is true is that medical mistakes kill more people than guns do. And you gun banners don't target that source of death because it cannot be weaponized against conservatives.
 
TurtleDude said:
This is coming from a guy who constantly lies about gun issues? and you missed the point. It doesn't matter if there are 100K deaths due to medical mistakes or 440K. What is true is that medical mistakes kill more people than guns do. And you gun banners don't target that source of death because it cannot be weaponized against conservatives.
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Weasel words. You pulled numbers out of your ass and got caught.
 
TurtleDude said:
and you missed the point. the issue is not how many people die from medical mistakes. The issue is this-if you gun banners were really motivated about saving innocent lives, rather than harassing conservative gun owners, you'd target things that kill more innocents than guns. AND YOU DO NOT
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So after being found out in a lie you try to shift the goal posts

A case of "what-about-ism" doesn't wash.

Causes of deaths are dealt with...doctors are jailed/sued/struck off if a patient dies through mal-practice - what is your suggestion to reduce deaths ?


40,000 people a year do die of gun shot wounds, the suggestion to rid us of the blood soaked stat is to ban guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
So after being found out in a lie you try to shift the goal posts

A case of "what-about-ism" doesn't wash.

Causes of deaths are dealt with...doctors are jailed/sued/struck off if a patient dies through mal-practice - what is your suggestion to reduce deaths ?


40,000 people a year do die of gun shot wounds, the suggestion to rid us of the blood soaked stat is to ban guns.
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uh I didn't lie. I cited a study which said what I claimed. You found another study that disputed one that was reported in dozens of articles. That doesn't mean i lied. It means you believe another study.

Lying is what you do constantly when you claim that your hysterical anti gun posting is based on a valid fear rather than political hatred
 
calamity said:
Weasel words. You pulled numbers out of your ass and got caught.
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are you denying that the article I cited states the numbers I did?

let me educate you since you are ignorant.

I would have lied if I said a study reports 200K+ deaths and there was no study. But there was. And it was widely cited for several years. Rich comes up with a competing study. It disputes the first study. But that doesn't prove I was lying. You are lying by claiming I did.
 
Fledermaus said:
The incredible irony.
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Rich seems to think that his study is accurate and the one I cited was wrong. yet, when we post studies that take apart the nonsense about gun deaths, he ignores them. What is clearly true is that preventing innocents from being killed is NOT what motivates his constant harangues about gun ownership
 
calamity said:
It's safe to say a family guy with 4 kids will not have a felony record. :roll:
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The other day I saw a "family guy" with a Raiders jersey, black shorts, white socks up to his knees, lots of face tattoos including the good 'ol requisite teardrop by the eye. He had 4 kids in tow and a very timid looking woman bringing up the rear. Im pretty sure he had at least one felony on his record.


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JMR said:
No, I believe some people should be excluded from exercising a "right" to bear arms....like people who have threatened the lives of others.
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There are lots of ****y women who file false restraining orders just to be vindictive while they are battling their estranged boyfriends/husbands in court, usually over custody matters. I have 2 nephews who had to go through that nonsense

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Maidenrules29 said:
There are lots of ****y women who file false restraining orders just to be vindictive while they are battling their estranged boyfriends/husbands in court, usually over custody matters. I have 2 nephews who had to go through that nonsense

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Red Flag laws will be the next weapon in nasty domestic relations cases
 
calamity said:
Was he a legal gun owner? Yes.

Maybe you should quit running from the truth by claiming I made **** up :roll:
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I didn’t say he was not a legal gun owner did I? No.

You made up he was a good guy with a gun. The fact he committed a crime means he was not a good guy. And the only reason you do this is to imply there are no good guys and so no one should have guns.

It’s dishonest rhetoric. On its face.
 
calamity said:
You can't just pull numbers out of your ass and expect to be taken serious. :doh
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Shocking. You have higher expectations of others than what yourself is willing to do. :doh
 
calamity said:
Correction: a good guy with a gun went bad and killed everyone with his good gun.
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Correction: I keep making more **** up because basic logic is hard.

A bad man did a bad thing with his gun. An inanimate objects has no moral qualities.
 
Aberration said:
Shocking. You have higher expectations of others than what yourself is willing to do. :doh
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He and Rich both lied because I cited a study that supported my numbers. Merely citing an opposing study doesn't prove I was lying
 
Aberration said:
Correction: I keep making more **** up because basic logic is hard.

A bad man did a bad thing with his gun. An inanimate objects has no moral qualities.
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He was a legal gun owner. If he was "bad," like you so adamantly said, why do you support his right to have a gun?
 
TurtleDude said:
He and Rich both lied because I cited a study that supported my numbers. Merely citing an opposing study doesn't prove I was lying
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You were just wrong - poor research and quoting the first study you found on-line.

The study I quoted, specifically debunks yours.

It shows how ridiculous (and clearly incorrect) the figures are and way.


No-one reading two two reports could claim that TurtleDude's study could have any credibility.

Unless of course you ARE TurtleDude who doesn't want to admit he was wrong.
 
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Aberration said:
And you should be jailed your entire life to prevent you from mistreating anyone....
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LOL - straight from the Trump playbook. Criticizing him is "treason"


...That doesn’t answer the question.

You imply that fascism is OK to stop the misuse of guns.
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No, fascism is not OK

However to many, banning guns - whether Constitutional or not - is fascism.
 
TurtleDude said:
uh I didn't lie. I cited a study which said what I claimed. You found another study that disputed one that was reported in dozens of articles. That doesn't mean i lied. It means you believe another study.

Lying is what you do constantly when you claim that your hysterical anti gun posting is based on a valid fear rather than political hatred
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You don't like being called that - well learn what a lie is.

You were actually just wrong, quoting data from a debunked source without doing any confirmation of the study you found during a brief internet search. The data was music to your ears perhaps but still wrong.

The study I quoted explained how and why.

You just don't want to admit you were wrong. Or to use your own terminology, posting a lie.
 
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