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Gun in Home Kills Loved ones and Owner

TurtleDude said:
The information seems sketchy but it appeared to be a domestic violence issue where a restraining order was already in place and when it went off the rails one spouse shot the other, the kids and then committed suicide. Now, most people would say that is a clear sign of mental illness but I think it might not be so clear and the offender-now dead-might not have exhibited any signs of mental illness. I do note that domestic disturbances are often the most dangerous for police because domestic disputes create hard to read variables
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Just curious....do you think a person who has acted in a way to be issued a restraining order should have full access to his guns?
 
calamity said:
In this case, 3 kids under ten, a twenty nine year old wife and the scumbag husband who shot them all. One child, a sixth victim, is in surgery.

5 dead, including three boys under 10, after shooting at San Diego home | Fox News

Shakes head at another senseless slew of deaths brought about by our gun-obsession, which has clearly reached epidemic proportions.
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Yeah, definitely the gun's fault, because it's totally inconceivable that a grown man could kill his wife and children without one.
 
JMR said:
Just curious....do you think a person who has acted in a way to be issued a restraining order should have full access to his guns?
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I'd have to see the restraining order first. If the person against whom it is taken, has made threats, most likely not. Some restraining orders are issued for less than necessary to lose second amendment rights.
 
JMR said:
Just curious....do you think a person who has acted in a way to be issued a restraining order should have full access to his guns?
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Several articles mention that it was unclear whether the restraining order had been served because apparently the woman had obtained it less than 24 hours ago.
 
TurtleDude said:
I'd have to see the restraining order first. If the person against whom it is taken, has made threats, most likely not. Some restraining orders are issued for less than necessary to lose second amendment rights.
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Glad to see you have a bit of leeway. I'm wondering if second amendment rights trump the inalienable rights. I vote no.
 
TurtleDude said:
do you even know if there was any hint that mental illness was evident BEFORE the shooting?
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how many mentally sound people have you known who have killed their kids?
 
Tlrmln said:
Yeah, definitely the gun's fault, because it's totally inconceivable that a grown man could kill his wife and children without one.
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Not many do. Guns are the murder weapon of choice in the US. Look it up.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is one of the most stupidest things I have ever seen. You don't know so you just make it up.
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Domestic homicide rarely involves gangbangers. It's usually the proverbial "good guy" with a gun gone rogue.
 
JMR said:
Glad to see you have a bit of leeway. I'm wondering if second amendment rights trump the inalienable rights. I vote no.
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second amendment rights recognize inalienable rights. Keeping and bearing arms alone NEVER trump inalienable rights. You must believe that using a gun illegally is part of that right
 
TurtleDude said:
second amendment rights recognize inalienable rights. Keeping and bearing arms alone NEVER trump inalienable rights. You must believe that using a gun illegally is part of that right
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Looks to me like gun rights left three children and their mother dead. :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
you're lying or making that up. Many cases of domestic violence involve substance abuse or criminal enterprise
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I said domestic homicide. Stick to the topic.
 
justabubba said:
this is as much a mental health issue as anything else

tRump - at one time - expressed a willingness to work with democrats to expand access to mental health care. hope that was not an empty offer or a ship which has already sailed
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That ship sailed. It may be business for the Dems but its personal for Donald.
 
calamity said:
It was a control issue. He was separated, she put an order of protection out on him. He came over to argue about some tools. And, BOOM! Everyone in the family ends up dead.

This is not something mental health experts will ever prevent. Rejected males kill. And, guns make it all that much easier. Simple as that.
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The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act already prohibits people with histories of domestic violence and a restraining order from buying guns.
 
calamity said:
Looks to me like gun rights left three children and their mother dead. :roll:
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that sort of comment is just plain stupid. You don't even know if he could legally own the gun but in your constant desire to try to bait and smear gun owners with these incidents, you make stuff up. You know damn well that second amendment rights do not involve murder. But you continue to lie about the right because you are mad that gun owners are a major reason why Trump won and you have yet to get over that
 
calamity said:
I said domestic homicide. Stick to the topic.
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domestic homicide is the most serious form of domestic violence. Given your propensity to make facts up and make assumptions that have no basis in fact, your attempts to finesse terms like domestic violence and Domestic homicide are specious and dishonest
 
TurtleDude said:
domestic homicide is the most serious form of domestic violence. Given your propensity to make facts up and make assumptions that have no basis in fact, your attempts to finesse terms like domestic violence and Domestic homicide are specious and dishonest
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Four homicides in one home, committed by husband who kills himself. Definitely domestic homicide.
 
TurtleDude said:
domestic homicide is the most serious form of domestic violence. Given your propensity to make facts up and make assumptions that have no basis in fact, your attempts to finesse terms like domestic violence and Domestic homicide are specious and dishonest
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/// Given your propensity to make facts up and make assumptions that have no basis in fact,,, /// ...Pot, meet Kettle. ( the convo you claimed we had regarding some Duke University study that never took place comes to mind )
 
calamity said:
Not many do. Guns are the murder weapon of choice in the US. Look it up.
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They're the weapon of choice because they're available. If they were not, people would use something else to murder their families.
 
calamity said:
Four homicides in one home, committed by husband who kills himself. Definitely domestic homicide.
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no one denies that, but it does nothing to support your attempt to smear gun owners
 
Logician Man said:
/// Given your propensity to make facts up and make assumptions that have no basis in fact,,, /// ...Pot, meet Kettle. ( the convo you claimed we had regarding some Duke University study that never took place comes to mind )
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another thread where Logician Man's first post is attacking a post of mine and adds nothing to the thread. The Duke study was posted dozens of times. Why don't you take issue with Calamity's ASSumption that the person who did the killing was some good guy?
 
Just saw this on my news feed.

What a horribly sad story. This guy either couldn't get the help he needed or he chose not to and now all but one is dead. Restraining orders are a waste of time because unless a home is under a 24/7 watch or even the individuals, a disturbed person couldn't give a crap. In a lot of cases it sets them off like this waste of skin.

I hope his extended family is able to help this poor boy recover from such a horrible tragedy. Absolutely heartbreaking.
 
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