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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you cannot be honest about what you have written or alleged - there is not point in wasting one minute with you refuting anything else you have said when your opening sentence is so false.
    I am completely honest, and my opening sentence is completely true.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So prove it with proper evidence. Compare England and Japan and Canada - which I mentioned as first world comparisons - and show us why they are inapt comparisons.
    Already done in my previous post.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Toggle Almendro View Post
    I am completely honest, and my opening sentence is completely true.



    Already done in my previous post.
    What number of post did you claim to have done this?
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    Why do you find it so hard to beleive? A milling machine can be purchased for under a thousand. Then all it takes is a little knowledge, practice time, and skill. The same tooling and machinery those factors use can be bought second hand for reasonable prices. Mechanically knowledge people build all kinds of products out of backyard shops from cars, boats, airplanes, motorcycles, furniture etc.. that are mass produced in factories. Why do you think a firearm is out of peoples skills and abilities.
    You'd have to have expensive machinery to copy an existing firearm to anything like a working gun, comparable to a factory made gun.

    If it were possible to make a functional home made, I think we'd see them around

    This is the level we're up to:


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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Protecting them with special laws IS THE OPPOSITE of treating them by the same standard as other companies.
    they can't be treated with the same standard, they are unequally targeted by malicious litigation.
    If the suit has no merits, it will not succeed in court.
    malicious litigation is not about succeeding in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    they can't be treated with the same standard, they are unequally targeted by malicious litigation.
    malicious litigation is not about succeeding in court.
    That is silly. If people are more than larger targets for getting sued they first need to look at what they themselves are doing to provoke this same suits.

    It is utterly stupid to adopt procedures to protect companies which might get sued more than other companies. That is just plain dumb.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You'd have to have expensive machinery to copy an existing firearm to anything like a working gun, comparable to a factory made gun.

    If it were possible to make a functional home made, I think we'd see them around

    This is the level we're up to:


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    Define expensive. Just because youíre unable to read a tape measure and have no ability to work with youíre hands doesnít mean others canít. Those fancy machines you know nothing about just make the job easier. Unlike you some of use use our hands for other things than besides playing with ourselves. Firearms have been made with basic machinery for more years than CNC have been used. The ability to machine parts is less about the machinery and more about the skills and abilities of the operator. Your ignorance is clouding your judgement.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is silly. If people are more than larger targets for getting sued they first need to look at what they themselves are doing to provoke this same suits.
    so you support malicious litigation as long as it achieves the ends? So you're one of those types of people what are the ends justify the means.

    I wonder how you would feel if hundreds of thousands of people just started bringing frivolous lawsuits against something like planned Parenthood until they just went bankrupt. Would you say they just shouldn't have been providing abortions?

    Or is that somehow different?


    It is utterly stupid to adopt procedures to protect companies which might get sued more than other companies. That is just plain dumb.
    It's dumb because it stands in the way of your ends.

    That's kind of a kindergartener argument he made here Haymarket. It's dumb because you don't get what you want. because people don't get to gather up their pitchforks and run people out of town it's dumb because people other than you have liberty.

    We made laws with special protections for black people during the Civil Rights movement because they weren't treated equally like gun manufacturers.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I have a very good idea about is your firepower versus that of the government. It is so tiny that you would be a gnat next to an elephant.
    Since you so poorly comprehended what you responded to, here it is spelled out clearly. Just took awhile since I had it on my home laptop.

    Everytime I read this I wonder just how short-sighted and limited some peoples' thinking is.

    There are tons of books out there...fiction and some even non-fiction...that describe ways to undermine the US govt in an active violent revolution, mostly through asymmetrical warfare means. Firearms are not close to the primary weapons. I wont go into details, the books are out there.

    Do we wage war, today, with firearms? Expect to win wars using them? No. We use bombs and tanks, and espionage and infiltration and sabotage and hacking communications, etc etc etc.

    But...who DOES carry firearms and why? Our soldiers do...for self-defense. To protect themselves and others in carrying out the war efforts.


    It's the same reason American citizens should have every right to keep and carry firearms. Not for the act of overcoming tyranny (as written, there are many, better ways to do that)....but to protect themselves and their families if they are considered 'enemy combatants' in such a conflict. Or as they carry out other acts of war/rebellion against the govt. *Just like our soldiers.*

    Our firearms are not, in this era, a tool for waging war. Now they are to protect any soldiers in such a war...just like our military today. But that's why discussions about 'if they have tanks, should citizens have tanks?' are just dumb. Same with using nukes there instead of tanks.

    Of course I'm not saying any such rebellion is on the horizon, I'm just writing that there are plenty of ways to engage in that conflict and firearms will not be the primary weapons.

    The FFs believed that guns in the hands of citizens discourage govt tyranny, by giving the people the means to defend themselves.

    See that last sentence? The firearms "today" arent the means for overthrowing the govt...they are for what's explicit in that sentence.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Since you so poorly comprehended what you responded to, here it is spelled out clearly. Just took awhile since I had it on my home laptop.

    Everytime I read this I wonder just how short-sighted and limited some peoples' thinking is.

    There are tons of books out there...fiction and some even non-fiction...that describe ways to undermine the US govt in an active violent revolution, mostly through asymmetrical warfare means. Firearms are not close to the primary weapons. I wont go into details, the books are out there.

    Do we wage war, today, with firearms? Expect to win wars using them? No. We use bombs and tanks, and espionage and infiltration and sabotage and hacking communications, etc etc etc.

    But...who DOES carry firearms and why? Our soldiers do...for self-defense. To protect themselves and others in carrying out the war efforts.


    It's the same reason American citizens should have every right to keep and carry firearms. Not for the act of overcoming tyranny (as written, there are many, better ways to do that)....but to protect themselves and their families if they are considered 'enemy combatants' in such a conflict. Or as they carry out other acts of war/rebellion against the govt. *Just like our soldiers.*

    Our firearms are not, in this era, a tool for waging war. Now they are to protect any soldiers in such a war...just like our military today. But that's why discussions about 'if they have tanks, should citizens have tanks?' are just dumb. Same with using nukes there instead of tanks.

    Of course I'm not saying any such rebellion is on the horizon, I'm just writing that there are plenty of ways to engage in that conflict and firearms will not be the primary weapons.

    The FFs believed that guns in the hands of citizens discourage govt tyranny, by giving the people the means to defend themselves.

    See that last sentence? The firearms "today" arent the means for overthrowing the govt...they are for what's explicit in that sentence.
    I see firearms for keeping the government from being dictatorial as akin to what I call the rattlesnake scenario. Suppose you are locked in a big room. No tools no weapons, maybe nothing but your clothes. Also in that room is a 6 foot diamond back rattlesnake-a snake not known to seek confrontations with humans. And you know you are going to be in that room for several hours. you have two choices-you leave that snake alone and avoid it-and you won't get hurt. Or you can attack it. Anyone of adult size can kill a rattlesnake by stepping on its back swiftly and grinding their foot. It will break the snake's back. but there is a good chance you will be bit. You might not die, but you will suffer some serious pain and perhaps some permanent damage. So the odds favor you leaving the snake alone.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    so you support malicious litigation as long as it achieves the ends?
    We made laws with special protections for black people during the Civil Rights movement because they weren't treated equally like gun manufacturers.
    I support the right of a citizen to file suit in court and be entitled to all the rights under that legal action.

    You have not yet even tried to support your claim about gun manufacturers needing special protections. Are you going to do that?
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