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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    The plaintiffs are arguing Remington misled buyers with ads that targeted a specific type of person, promoting the firearm and its military styling and useage.

    This in turn is what the plaintiffs are alleging. You should not be promoting military or military type weaponry for civilian use. That's what they're using to sue remington.
    WTF? Did you, by chance, miss the militia reference in the 2A? The 2A exists precisely for the purpose of protecting civilian ownership of militia suitable arms. The 2A is not about target, sport or hunting uses of arms and contains explicit language to that effect.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If a manufacturer of any product intends for that product to take a life when it is used properly, why are they not responsible for at least some of that.

    They are saying - here is our product that is meant to kill. If you use it as intended, killing can result.
    Are you serious? I suppose you would limit gun makers to making only one model of gun, called "The Government Model" - it costs quite a lot, it doesn't work much and you can't ever fire it.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Suing a manufacturer who did no wrong.

    Not good.
    Well lets see. They built a weapon of war and developed a 'civilian" version of the weapon. Then they took the so called "civilian version" and advertised and sold it as a weapon of war to civilians. I do not think that the manufacture saw it having many uses except to kill humans, as it was not seemingly advertised as a hunting gun. So maybe the manufacture did wrong in how they built, advertised and sold the weapon to civilians.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I say that the US Constitution in effect guarantees the right to sue in court and these people are entitled to sue.

    Right of the United States to Sue. | U.S. Constitution Annotated | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

    The idea that we pass special laws to protect gun manufactures is so ass backwards that it is an offense against common sense.
    We pass laws on product liability when the product, used correctly, causes damage to other people or the user. Cigarettes for example. Guns are designed to fire a projectile at speeds that cause damage when they impact. It is high time for gunmakers to be held liable for the designed use of their product.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Well lets see. They built a weapon of war and developed a 'civilian" version of the weapon. Then they took the so called "civilian version" and advertised and sold it as a weapon of war to civilians. I do not think that the manufacture saw it having many uses except to kill humans, as it was not seemingly advertised as a hunting gun. So maybe the manufacture did wrong in how they built, advertised and sold the weapon to civilians.
    I’m not sure you could be more wrong even if you tried to.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by mrjurrs View Post
    We pass laws on product liability when the product, used correctly, causes damage to other people or the user. Cigarettes for example. Guns are designed to fire a projectile at speeds that cause damage when they impact. It is high time for gunmakers to be held liable for the designed use of their product.
    Hmm... what about vehicles designed to easily exceed posted speed limits?
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Well lets see. They built a weapon of war and developed a 'civilian" version of the weapon. Then they took the so called "civilian version" and advertised and sold it as a weapon of war to civilians. I do not think that the manufacture saw it having many uses except to kill humans, as it was not seemingly advertised as a hunting gun. So maybe the manufacture did wrong in how they built, advertised and sold the weapon to civilians.
    No maybe. The manufacturer did nothing wrong.

    Even if this was a weapon of war, that would not make it wrong to sell it to civilians. And it isn't a weapon of war.

    I haven't seen the ads in question, but I don't think we should take the anti-gun people's word for it that the gun was advertised as a weapon of war either. I suspect that they are exaggerating the nature of the ads.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Well lets see. They built a weapon of war and developed a 'civilian" version of the weapon. Then they took the so called "civilian version" and advertised and sold it as a weapon of war to civilians. I do not think that the manufacture saw it having many uses except to kill humans, as it was not seemingly advertised as a hunting gun. So maybe the manufacture did wrong in how they built, advertised and sold the weapon to civilians.
    They didn't sell it to the shooter

    Dodge builds cars and advertising shows them racing. Can an idiot that kills a bus full of nuns sue Dodge?

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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by mrjurrs View Post
    We pass laws on product liability when the product, used correctly, causes damage to other people or the user. Cigarettes for example. Guns are designed to fire a projectile at speeds that cause damage when they impact. It is high time for gunmakers to be held liable for the designed use of their product.
    Exactly.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you serious? I suppose you would limit gun makers to making only one model of gun, called "The Government Model" - it costs quite a lot, it doesn't work much and you can't ever fire it.

    Not exactly.
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