Page 10 of 81 FirstFirst ... 891011122060 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 803

Thread: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

  1. #91
    Tenacious
    Lursa's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Outside Seattle
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,121

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The very small percentage of FUN users of guns pales in comparison with those who buy to provide a weapon against other things.
    So? How many people who buy guns for self-defense and to protect their families is 'too many?'
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

  2. #92
    Sage
    gdgyva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Near Atlanta Georgia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    9,065

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The issue is SPECIAL and EXTRA protections for gun makers over those of everyday other manufacturers of products.
    they arent lawmakers

    if congress wants to put extra laws out there...gun manufacturers will follow them

    to punish a company for putting a product on the market is ludicrious UNLESS they product is defective and did not act as intended

    same crap as having to put warning signs on cups of coffee now..."contents MAY BE HOT"...well no **** sherlock

    this is just another end run at the NRA and guns....cant get the laws changed lets go after the people that make them
    ďMost of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.Ē

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

  3. #93
    Sometimes wrong
    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:12 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    55,514

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    I'm not sure how I see it. I want to see the evidence. The plaintiffs are alleging the manufacturer misled buyers by lying in their advertising, which very well may be true.

    It's going to discovery so we will know soon enough.
    One key thing to remember is that the Sandy Hook shooter never bought the gun - he killed his mother and took it. It would seem to be very hard to prove that a dead person had paid any attention to advertising - rather than just took whatever guns were available.

    Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - Wikipedia
    ďThe reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.Ē ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  4. #94
    Tenacious
    Lursa's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Outside Seattle
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,121

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    The advertising angle is a unique way. It might have legs. Its kind of like suing the Vape companies for kids injured with vape devices.. by claiming that vape manufactures are targeting children.

    It would hard though to say that the Remington manufacturer would be responsible since the person who BOUGHT the firearm.. didn't do the shooting.

    Now. if they argue "but but..Remington influenced the shooter to commit the mass shooting"... any good attorney should poke holes all in that theory. I would see if that guy owned a TV or a x box and what games they played and what showed on television..

    Because..if we are going to argue that advertising could cause a mass shooting....well..did the advertising glorify a mass shooting? did it even show people being shot?

    I would think then that an attorney would point out.. that the games on the x box..like hero.. or the shows on TV.. like any cop show.. any action show... would glorify and manipulate shooters... far far more than one Remington ad...

    If they have a case that advertising cause the issue...there are far bigger providers of violent images than Remington....
    Yes I see it that way (mostly) too and was thinking of the Joe Cool Camel cigarette ads.

    Except that the advertising is clearly still geared towards adults...is the assumption that adult males (sorry but this is the vast majority of spree/mass shooters) are incapable of making reasonable purchasing decisions and are 'fooled' into believing these guns are for military purposes? (Not to mention that shooting unarmed people is hardly a military task...for the most part)

    I guess we'll see.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

  5. #95
    Educator Toggle Almendro's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Last Seen
    11-21-19 @ 02:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    908

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    I don't think it's fair to claim these are anti-gun people. These are parents who lost kindergarten age children to a mentally ill mass shooter. We as a society should be seeking to care for these individuals.

    Technically all weapons are military. The problem here isn't that the parents are anti-gun; I'm assuming if your kindergartner was gunned down and you lived in this society you would seek to do something, anything, to make their life have meaning, no?
    I would not respond by trying to violate people's civil liberties, and I have no sympathy for those who do respond that way.

  6. #96
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Last Seen
    12-09-19 @ 07:25 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    24,916

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The very small percentage of FUN users of guns pales in comparison with those who buy to provide a weapon against other things.
    Wow..is that wrong.

    Man.. you have a real paranoia about guns.

  7. #97
    Firm but fair
    Felis Leo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,614

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by mrjurrs View Post
    We pass laws on product liability when the product, used correctly, causes damage to other people or the user. Cigarettes for example. Guns are designed to fire a projectile at speeds that cause damage when they impact. It is high time for gunmakers to be held liable for the designed use of their product.
    You are failing to state a major area of product liability of law: Inherently unsafe products. Practically every state in the Union has an affirmative defense for defendants, which is that a product is inherently unsafe. This covers everything from weapons, cutlery, power tools, cleaning chemicals, and highly perishable and potentially poisonous products (such as shellfish), among others. You cannot sue DeWalt, for example, for having a hard sneeze while working a table saw and cutting off your own fingers, because the nature of table saws are inherently unsafe in order for them to function properly.
    Itís in the small things that the rot starts. Do the wrong thing once, itís easier to do it again. Do the individualistic thing once, it is easy to do it again.

    Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus

  8. #98
    Guru
    zsu2357's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Great state of (cough,cough)Oregon
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,784

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Cars are made as a method of transportation. Guns are made as a method of taking life.
    And no car has ever taken a life? Got an El Camino a couple houses down literally smashed. I don't think the guys parents have considered suing GM.

  9. #99
    Professor
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    1,546

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    You are failing to state a major area of product liability of law: Inherently unsafe products. Practically every state in the Union has an affirmative defense for defendants, which is that a product is inherently unsafe. This covers everything from weapons, cutlery, power tools, cleaning chemicals, and highly perishable and potentially poisonous products (such as shellfish), among others. You cannot sue DeWalt, for example, for having a hard sneeze while working a table saw and cutting off your own fingers, because the nature of table saws are inherently unsafe in order for them to function properly.
    Guns would only qualify for this type of protection if manufacturers actually admitted that their product was inherently unsafe. Did that happen?
    "Some men see things as they are and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not." Robert F. Kennedy

  10. #100
    Firm but fair
    Felis Leo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,614

    Re: SCOTUS Allos Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms to Proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Supreme Court Allows Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms To Proceed : NPR

    Breaking story so I assume it will be updated.



    This is a groundbreaking lawsuit and opens the door wide for future lawsuits.

    What say ye?
    I do not understand the plaintiff's argument as to how Remington's "false advertising" led to their children being murdered by Adam Lanza, who was not the purchaser of the firearms.
    Itís in the small things that the rot starts. Do the wrong thing once, itís easier to do it again. Do the individualistic thing once, it is easy to do it again.

    Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus

Page 10 of 81 FirstFirst ... 891011122060 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •