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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    One of the girls I train in an Olympic sport is one I also have been teaching to shoot pistols and semi auto rifles in steel competitions. Shooting very quickly under time pressure. Speed reloads, shooting the guns till they are dry, reloading etc. I also teach the girl's father (he is divorced and his daughter has chosen to live with him and he soon will be moving away from his ex and her husband as he has taken a job 80 miles away from where he lives now)

    During one of the Olympic sport's practices, one of the other parents asked this man why he likes his daughter being well trained (every weekend for the last 8 months plus about 15 competitions so far) in using semi auto handguns and rifles. And he said this: because I cannot watch her back 24 7 and when she moves away and is an adult, I want her to be able to protect herself from the assholes in this world.
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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    An AR-15 is not an ideal weapon for home defense. You'd be better off with a shotgun. Wider spread means you're more likely to hit the target, lower muzzle velocity means you're less likely to shoot through a wall and kill someone else by accident. Rifles are designed for long distance accuracy, not for close quarters.
    Why is it you feel the need to tell others what weapon is best the defense of our homes? As far as I am aware there is no one size fits all weapon for home defense. Rifles and carbines have their place just as shotguns and pistols do. Why do you even care what weapons people choose to defend themselves and their homes?
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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
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    about a year ago, this then 15 year old girl, asked me if I would take her (and her dad) shooting. I said sure-what do you want to shoot? And I told her we had lots of things she could try. Before I got past pistols, she said she didn't want to shoot an AR 15. I didn't comment and said OK but when she went to the range, I had a customized AR 15 that didn't say AR 15 on it. We set up a rest and she shot it at 25 yards. She shot it well and blew out the middle of the target. And what did she say? DAD I WANT ONE OF THESE FOR CHRISTMAS. He had a lower he had bought before the election and I told him to bring it to me and I would add an upper. When I explained she had just shot an AR 15 she looked at me and said-so why are all these people wanting to ban them--that was FUN!
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't know but Joe Biden hates people being able to own AR 15s
    Biden: "Buy A Shotgun, Buy A Shotgun"

    Attorney General William Barr: “The fact of the matter is that, in waging a scorched earth, no-holds-barred war of 'Resistance' against this Administration,
    it is the Left that is engaged in the systematic shredding of norms and the undermining of the rule of law.”

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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense 1 View Post
    Biden: "Buy A Shotgun, Buy A Shotgun"

    anyone who would vote for that turd after that bit of idiocy, I wonder about. That stupidity not only makes you unable to respond if the intruder isn't scared away, it might well be illegal in some communities to fire a weapon in the city limits before you are objectively in fear of being harmed.We teach our students you don't fire until you are certain of your target-and that means a target that has created a reasonable fear that if you don't act, you or another innocent will suffer grave bodily injury immediately
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    about a year ago, this then 15 year old girl, asked me if I would take her (and her dad) shooting. I said sure-what do you want to shoot? And I told her we had lots of things she could try. Before I got past pistols, she said she didn't want to shoot an AR 15. I didn't comment and said OK but when she went to the range, I had a customized AR 15 that didn't say AR 15 on it. We set up a rest and she shot it at 25 yards. She shot it well and blew out the middle of the target. And what did she say? DAD I WANT ONE OF THESE FOR CHRISTMAS. He had a lower he had bought before the election and I told him to bring it to me and I would add an upper. When I explained she had just shot an AR 15 she looked at me and said-so why are all these people wanting to ban them--that was FUN!
    I found that women tend to like firearms just fine when they get to the target range. Its the same reason I believe they tend to like SUV's it gives them a sense of power they don't seem to think they have.

    The women in my family shoot all sorts of esoteric firearms and replicas I have made over the years. My wife and each of my children each have been given a blade(s) and firearm(s) that I custom built for them exclusively. For my SO it was as marriage gifts, for my children it was a coming of age gift, there are no others exactly like them, in fact all the parts are one off custom pieces even the ammunition and propellants are exclusive. I keep CAD/CAM and other files for duplication of parts and such. I wanted the gifts to be a statement for them that they are part of my clan and the clan is part of them, that they singular human beings that are unique sovereign and no ones prey, that they serve only those they wish to. I wanted them to understand they are special and can be and are part of things special that they themselves choose to be part of. That there is balance in the dichotomy of being an individual and being part of a community, and that balance is what they themselves choose. They alone hold the keys to chains which they bind to themselves.

    Now that I think of it, I find it interesting to have gone down a philosophical path with this discussion.
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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Aside from the points made in the article about the AR 15, without a firearm there is simply no way a 120lb female is going to be able to defend herself against a 200lb male attacker. Leftist know this, but since they are by definition. collectivists, they have no problem sacrificing individuals for the "common good". It's no exaggeration to say that a modern progressive would prefer to see a woman raped and murdered rather than see her armed and capable of defending herself.

    Almost 50 years ago my mom was attacked by two guys late at night in a church parking lot. She ran to her car, but realized she wouldn't have time to unlock it and get in before they would get to her. She pulled out a little .22 that she carried in her purse, and she told me as soon as they saw the gun they stopped dead in their tracks, backed up, and went away.

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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    for those who think AR 15s are not appropriate for home defense or much better choices exist

    Why An AR-15 For Home Defense Is The Best Choice | Gun Digest

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    Patrick Sweeney is the author of many of Gun Digest books' best-selling titles, including Gun Digest Book of the 1911, Vols. I & II; Gun Digest Big Fat Book of the .45 ACP, Gun Digest Book of the AR-15, Gun Digest Book of the AK and SKS, Gun Digest Book of the Glock and Gunsmithing: Pistols and Revolvers, among other titles. A master gunsmith, Patrick is also Handguns Editor for Guns & Ammo magazine

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    He teaches law enforcement classes on the patrol rifle, and gunsmithing the AR-15.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Why is it you feel the need to tell others what weapon is best the defense of our homes? As far as I am aware there is no one size fits all weapon for home defense. Rifles and carbines have their place just as shotguns and pistols do. Why do you even care what weapons people choose to defend themselves and their homes?
    Asking why I would debate something on a debate site is a very strange question. I make this argument because I think it is correct. I'm aware there's no one size fits all weapon, and that is just as true for the AR-15. For the purpose of home defense, I believe a shotgun is superior, for the reasons I have listed.

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    Re: Are Gun banners anti woman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    An AR-15 is not an ideal weapon for home defense. You'd be better off with a shotgun. Wider spread means you're more likely to hit the target, lower muzzle velocity means you're less likely to shoot through a wall and kill someone else by accident. Rifles are designed for long distance accuracy, not for close quarters.
    You aren't going to get a spread large enough, inside a house, to be affective. You will still be shooting a rifle, basically.

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