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Virginians voted their rights away

ChezC3 said:
Virginia has really turned into quite a disappointment. How far the Commonwealth has fallen. Hard to believe it was once a prominent and proud country.
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What are you taking about ?

Virginia just voted Democrat - Governor and both houses of the state legislature.
 
Rich2018 said:
Awesome, I find that the bulk of my political sympathies lie towards one political party.
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But you wouldn't make an intellectual decision based on party, right?
 
ChezC3 said:
Virginia has really turned into quite a disappointment. How far the Commonwealth has fallen. Hard to believe it was once a prominent and proud country.
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It used to be a great state to live in. Then the liberals drove it into the dirt. Now with total control they will be hell bent on instituting insanely stupid polices like California has. They only upside is maybe they will legalize marijuana to help the large vet population deal with PTSD instead of forcing pills down their throats.
 
ecofarm said:
But you wouldn't make an intellectual decision based on party, right?
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No, but I'd be surprised if the decision led me to the Republican part in its current form.

As I say to people; if the answer is Trump, it must be one hell of a strange question.
 
Rich2018 said:
It gets stuff done.

Checks and balances just cause "roadblocks" to legislation and create political inertia.
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Getting the wrong stuff done is not helpful
 
Rich2018 said:
The correct word is "inalienable", the writer(s) of the DOI had poor English, or maybe that's how they spoke in 18th century American colonies





The DOI can speak of unicorns and pixies, it doesn't mean they exist

Same with rights too

The Bible speaks of a god or gods, it doesn't mean they exist




So North Koreans have the right to rise up and abolish their government ? Back in the real world however....


You have the right to have babies - even if you're a man. It doesn't mean you can though


YouTube




So you say

Excuse 2.2





Agreed. The USA needs to repeal the 2nd amendment and then ban guns





You're in Maryland ?
I went to Silver Springs High School on a school exchange program for 3 weeks.

I don't think anyone in the USA lacks the will to oppose murder. The USA leads the word in the proportion of people incarcerated in its jails. Only banning guns is a solution.

Why have other countries been able to give up the liberty to own guns for increased security and remained free ?

Why have they been "gun-less" and not found themselves in a tyranny ?
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So North Koreans have the right to rise up and abolish their government ?
They are unable to. In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.
The USA needs to repeal the 2nd amendment and then ban guns
Which would leave only the military armed, just like N Korea.
]You're in Maryland
Yes, Baltimore. Banning guns here would work about as well as banning Heroin. The gangs would love it. Only criminals would be armed, and making millions on gun running.
Why have other countries been able to give up the liberty to own guns for increased security and remained free ?
"Since the 1997 handgun ban in England and Wales, there has been only one year in which the homicide rate has been lower than it was in the year before the ban. In places that ban guns, murder rates have tended to rise, and in England the murder rate has shot up 50 percent since the ban. London’s murder rate has grown nearly 40 percent in only three years."
London’s Rising Murder Rate Raises Questions About Gun Control

I think we've reached an impasse, where it doesn't seem likely that one of us will have a change of heart , at least on guns and the 2a. I agree to disagree, agreeably. Good civil exchange of ideas. Thanks! :peace
 
ChezC3 said:
For death cult nihilists...
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I'm not sure how members of a real death cult would really care.

"Trumpists" would love control of the House wouldn't you say ?


Would you class Republicans as "death cult nihilists" ?
 
mrdeltoid said:
they are unable to. In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition...
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But they have the right to resist as citizens of a republic ?


...which would leave only the military armed, just like N Korea....
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And most other countries like the UK, Ireland, Australia, France, Germany...


... Yes, Baltimore. Banning guns here would work about as well as banning Heroin. The gangs would love it. Only criminals would be armed, and making millions on gun running....
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No, citizens wouldn't flock to "speak easies" to buy black market guns and ammo...it's much harder to smuggle a gun and ammo than a bag of powder.
Yes there would be some illegal guns so Maryland police would still need to be armed.


...Since the 1997 handgun ban in England and Wales there has been only one year in which the homicide rate has been lower than it was in the year before the ban...
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And how many more homicides would there have been had people had guns ?

How many mass shootings have been avoided...you can't have it both ways either the UK is more violent than the USA and so there should be more mass shootings per capita...or not


...I think we've reached an impasse, where it doesn't seem likely that one of us will have a change of heart , at least on guns and the 2a. I agree to disagree, agreeably. Good civil exchange of ideas. Thanks! :peace
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Cheers

One final thought, when gun owners in the USA challenge the figure of 10,000 US they say they're mostly gang related turf wars, in which case why the need for guns to protect themselves if they're not gang members ?
 
Rich2018 said:
I'm not sure how members of a real death cult would really care.

"Trumpists" would love control of the House wouldn't you say ?


Would you class Republicans as "death cult nihilists" ?
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If you can’t get past the how I certainly don’t see you understanding the why.

Trumpeters. That would be the proper declension. And when in full swing, they do! If they’re any good.

Not comparing the two but, you can say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos.

If that is too confusing, a simple “no” will have to suffice.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Virginians told the country that they're sick of the corrupt Republican party.
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No, the state has been going blue for many years.

You agree with a "black face" Governor and a woman abuser as a Lt. Governor?

Is that is your idea of good leadership?
 
RetiredUSN said:
No, the state has been going blue for many years.
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you guys know how i always post that Hannity and Rush lie about stuff because they always leave out facts. The post above is something they would say. For example...


Virginia House of Delegates...
Controlled by Republicans since the year 2000
Republicans gained seats in 4 of the last 11 elections
Democrats gained seats in 6 of the last 11 elections
There was no change in seats in 1 election (2014-2016 session)
Republicans gained 7 seats for the 2012-2014 session
Republicans gained 5 seats for the 2010-2012 session
So, Republicans gained 12 seats for the sessions covering 2010-2016
And, Republicans have been dominate (a 32 seat lead) as recently as 2018

Democrats gained 2 seats for the 2016-2018 session
Democrats gained 15 seats for the 2018-2020 session


That's how Rush and Sean do it. They say something has been happening (for example) for "years" and people just accept that comment when the real truth is way different or more complex.

I will say that the way they work is really effective because many of their listeners don't want to put the time in to do the research.

Oh, The House of Delegates is just half of the VA government. They also have a Senate. The Republican representation (by seat) has changed as follows over the last 5 elections...

+2
-5
+2
+1
-2


Years.
 
CaughtInThe said:
you guys know how i always post that Hannity and Rush lie about stuff because they always leave out facts. The post above is something they would say. For example...


Virginia House of Delegates...
Controlled by Republicans since the year 2000
Republicans gained seats in 4 of the last 11 elections
Democrats gained seats in 6 of the last 11 elections
There was no change in seats in 1 election (2014-2016 session)
Republicans gained 7 seats for the 2012-2014 session
Republicans gained 5 seats for the 2010-2012 session
So, Republicans gained 12 seats for the sessions covering 2010-2016
And, Republicans have been dominate (a 32 seat lead) as recently as 2018

Democrats gained 2 seats for the 2016-2018 session
Democrats gained 15 seats for the 2018-2020 session


That's how Rush and Sean do it. They say something has been happening (for example) for "years" and people just accept that comment when the real truth is way different or more complex.

I will say that the way they work is really effective because many of their listeners don't want to put the time in to do the research.

Oh, The House of Delegates is just half of the VA government. They also have a Senate. The Republican representation (by seat) has changed as follows over the last 5 elections...

+2
-5
+2
+1
-2


Years.
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Northern Virginia is the new DC exodus.

Virginia is popular vote.

Flood northern Virginia with democrats and the state will stay permanently blue.

Got it?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Northern Virginia is the new DC exodus.

Virginia is popular vote.

Flood northern Virginia with democrats and the state will stay permanently blue.

Got it?
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Didn't want to debate the facts I posted huh? Just like lying Rush and Sean.
 
ChezC3 said:
If you can’t get past the how I certainly don’t see you understanding the why....
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Probably because members of a death cult has much less regard for their lives


...Trumpeters. That would be the proper declension. And when in full swing, they do! If they’re any good....
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So it's OK for Trumpniks (to use another name) to seek to control the presidency, both houses of the legislature and the judiciary ?

(you would think that Trumpeter would be the singular)



...not comparing the two but, you can say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos....
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There's an ethos to National Socialism ?

Would there be such a similar ethos for Trumpristas ?

If that is too confusing, a simple “no” will have to suffice.[/QUOTE]
 
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