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    Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Constitutional carry no in effect in Oklahoma despite the efforts of Moms Against the 2nd Amendment(moms demand action) and a anti-2nd amendment trash politician to try to thwart it. Hopefully more states follow suite.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Yikes. I'm pro second amendment, but carrying a firearm in public without training of any kind is just asking for trouble. I foresee this as ultimately doing more harm to 2nd amendment rights in OK than good. The 2nd amendment is only as strong as it's dumbest adherent.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Yikes. I'm pro second amendment, but carrying a firearm in public without training of any kind is just asking for trouble.
    You got it exactly backwards. Allowing anyone and everyone to carry makes life extremely difficult for the common criminal. Criminals are rational, they weigh costs and benefits just like everyone else. Raising the cost of crime is a good thing. It's not "asking for trouble", it's creating a safer society.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Great news for gun owners!
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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    You got it exactly backwards. Allowing anyone and everyone to carry makes life extremely difficult for the common criminal. Criminals are rational, they weigh costs and benefits just like everyone else. Raising the cost of crime is a good thing. It's not "asking for trouble", it's creating a safer society.
    Yes it is absolutely asking for trouble, because it will only take a few accidental shootings, or road rage incidents, for the hammer to come back down hard on second amendment rights. Crimes prevented by armed citizens are immaterial to those who want to abolish the second amendment. A rise in crimes committed by armed citizens are the death of gun rights. At least a permit system weeds out those who can't be trusted to carry.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Yikes. I'm pro second amendment, but carrying a firearm in public without training of any kind is just asking for trouble. I foresee this as ultimately doing more harm to 2nd amendment rights in OK than good. The 2nd amendment is only as strong as it's dumbest adherent.
    No doubt there will be some like that. But I think the big majority will know what they are doing rather than just arming themselves because they can.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Yes it is absolutely asking for trouble, because it will only take a few accidental shootings, or road rage incidents, for the hammer to come back down hard on second amendment rights. Crimes prevented by armed citizens are immaterial to those who want to abolish the second amendment. A rise in crimes committed by armed citizens are the death of gun rights. At least a permit system weeds out those who can't be trusted to carry.
    Has all this doom and gloom come too pass in any other Constitutional carry state? Guess not.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Yikes. I'm pro second amendment, but carrying a firearm in public without training of any kind is just asking for trouble. I foresee this as ultimately doing more harm to 2nd amendment rights in OK than good. The 2nd amendment is only as strong as it's dumbest adherent.
    That has some merit. People who pack concealed should be trained. The problem is-anti gun activists want harassment not training. My son got his CCW at 21. Every month I give him a case of 9mm. I put him on my membership at the local indoor range and I pay his dues at the other gun club where we shoot steel. A couple times a month, I take him to the range and he trains seriously with me. He also has the benefit of legal advice not only from a retired prosecutor, but also someone who had to shoot someone years ago, and knows what to do in that environment.
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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
    Has all this doom and gloom come too pass in any other Constitutional carry state? Guess not.
    I think his point is not one I'd dismiss out of hand. My position has always been, the second amendment allows open carry. States do not violate the second amendment with SHALL Issue concealed carry laws that require some objective test of competency.
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