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Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

It's not, except that for all practical purposes vehicles are a daily necessity whereas firearms are a luxury recreation
Stereotypical leftist fascism: Always determining what is necessary or unnecessary for others. Typically based upon complete ignorance. Your ilk wouldn't survive a week in Alaska's wild, so you had better stick to the safety of your city and delusional reality where you can feel safe.

Because I see a plethora of laws and forthcoming laws aimed at making vehicle and driving safer
I would support a federal driving license that's much harder to pass though
The federal government doesn't issue driver's licenses, the States do. You have no clue how government functions, yet presume to tell others what they need or don't need. Could you possibly get any more arrogant?

How is that obvious ?
It is obvious because the anti-American left are cause of the majority of those deaths.

What about the pro-American left (sounds like you have an agenda about LW politics - do you fear the ultimate objective is an Atheist tyranny ?)
There is no such critter. All leftists are by definition anti-American. To be pro-American one must support the founding principles of "Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness" which is something the left vehemently abhors.

What about the anti-American right - why do you not reserve some scorn for them and their agenda ?
There are those on the right who, like leftists, want to see Americans dead, their rights violates, and enslaved to their every whim, but they are a much smaller minority than the anti-American left.

When WHO was president ?
George H Bush by any chance - the Republican president ?
Once again demonstrating your ignorance of basic civics. Why am I not surprised? Congress enacts the laws, not Presidents. Guess who controlled Congress in 1990?

How is making schools a gun free zone "practically begging" mass shooters...is making schools drug free zones "practically begging" drug dealers to sell drugs to kids ?
Only a leftist couldn't possible imagine how plastering every school in the nation with a big neon sign that says "NO GUNS ALLOWED HERE!" wouldn't attract every crazy in the nation, knowing that they faced no armed opposition. But then again, nobody has ever accused the mentally-defective left of being particularly bright.
 
Do you have even the slightest clue of how many military weapons are floating around this earth? When I was at my 5th Reunion, one of my friends, a wealthy Raj whose family moved to Dubai, told me he could get me M16 rifles-NIB for 90 or so a piece but import might be tough. I asked where he got them. And he said-Hanoi City-his business had bought 10K from the Communist Government which had seized them when South Vietnam fell. In the last 40 years, the Eastern Bloc has re-armed and the AK 47 was abandoned in favor of either STANAG compliant rifles or the AK 74. where do you think all those rifles are?

I wonder what the Cubans paid for these?



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More people are killed by hammers and knives than are killed by rifles according to the FBI. Yet we hear no outrage about hammer or knife ownership, or restrictions on possession. Of all the various tools people use to kill themselves or others with the anti-American left choose to go after only firearms. The only tool that is specifically protected by the US Constitution. Why do you think that may be?

Why do you think Democrats created the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1990, if they didn't want to specifically create massacre magnets?

You have to ask why are the anti-American left so eager to abolish the one constitutionally protected right that protects all others?

It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the safety or security of the people, as the massacre magnets they created clearly demonstrate. The answer should be obvious.



“More people are killed by hammers and knives than are killed by rifles according to the FBI.”

But not by all firearms, by far.

“Yet we hear no outrage about hammer or knife ownership, or restrictions on possession. Of all the various tools people use to kill themselves or others with the anti-American left choose to go after only firearms. The only tool that is specifically protected by the US Constitution. Why do you think that may be?”

What I think may be is that you are basing your argument on an incredibly weak premise that is illogical. Being, that because more people are killed by hammer and knife than by RIFLE alone, that means the left are anti-American because they “go after” firearms for being used in suicide. You switched from “murder” and “rifles” to “suicide” and “firearms (all types of guns).

Clean-up your statement into something that makes sense and then maybe I can answer you.

“Why do you think Democrats created the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1990, if they didn't want to specifically create massacre magnets?”

You have no proof that such Act was to do as you say.

“You have to ask why are the anti-American left so eager to abolish the one constitutionally protected right that protects all others?"

What proof do you have that makes the left anti-American? What proof do you have the 2A protects all others? It is quite obvious that statistically guns kill more innocents than defend the innocent against offenders in America.

“It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the safety or security of the people, as the massacre magnets they created clearly demonstrate. The answer should be obvious.”

You tell me what the answer is and what your supporting evidence is for that answer.
 
“More people are killed by hammers and knives than are killed by rifles according to the FBI.”

But not by all firearms, by far.

“Yet we hear no outrage about hammer or knife ownership, or restrictions on possession. Of all the various tools people use to kill themselves or others with the anti-American left choose to go after only firearms. The only tool that is specifically protected by the US Constitution. Why do you think that may be?”

What I think may be is that you are basing your argument on an incredibly weak premise that is illogical. Being, that because more people are killed by hammer and knife than by RIFLE alone, that means the left are anti-American because they “go after” firearms for being used in suicide. You switched from “murder” and “rifles” to “suicide” and “firearms (all types of guns).
I was referring specifically to hammers, knives, and rifles. You invented everything else.

You have anti-American Democrat candidate scum demanding that we ban and confiscate rifles, specifically the AR-15, yet they are completely moot about hammers and knives which have killed considerably more Americans. That means they obviously care nothing about the lives or safety of others. As usual their only agenda is to disarm all Americans. It is already their publicly stated goal, so don't try to deny it.

“Why do you think Democrats created the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1990, if they didn't want to specifically create massacre magnets?”

You have no proof that such Act was to do as you say.
Actually, I do. From the illegal law itself.
It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

Source: Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, S. 2070, 101st Session of Congress

“You have to ask why are the anti-American left so eager to abolish the one constitutionally protected right that protects all others?"

What proof do you have that makes the left anti-American? What proof do you have the 2A protects all others? It is quite obvious that statistically guns kill more innocents than defend the innocent against offenders in America.
Everything about the Democratic Party was created out of sheer spite. It was the leftist Andrew Jackson, the founder of the Democratic Party, that deprived native Americans of their lives and liberties in the Trail of Tears. It was the Democratic Party - and ONLY the Democratic Party - that owned every slave in the US in 1861. It was the Democratic Party that started the Civil War in order to preserve slavery.

The Democratic Party has always vehemently opposed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness since their inception 191 years ago. Making them the anti-American Party, a.k.a. the Party of Hate. If you were not already aware of these facts then you are in serious need of an American history lesson, because it is very well documented.
 
The Democratic Party has always vehemently opposed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness since their inception 191 years ago. Making them the anti-American Party, a.k.a. the Party of Hate. If you were not already aware of these facts then you are in serious need of an American history lesson, because it is very well documented.

Yes, I see. That must be why the ACA recently dropped the number of uninsured in this country to below 10% for the first time in its history.

And why Trump supporters are now so afraid to lose it. :lamo

 
Stereotypical leftist fascism...

Leftist fascism ?


What about rightist fascism - you don't even know the meaning of leftist/right or the meaning of the word "fascism"


...always determining what is necessary or unnecessary for others....


You mean like voting on or drafting new laws that Congress does ALL the time ?


...the federal government doesn't issue driver's licenses, the States do....

I know, I have one issued by the state of Georgia
Now tell me where it was claimed that the federal government do and/or the states don't ?


...you have no clue how government functions, yet presume to tell others what they need or don't need. Could you possibly get any more arrogant?

You (obviously) have no clue on what's been said in this thread - Could you possibly get any more arrogant ?

And I think I know more about government works than you do...didn't you just use a label "leftist fascism" ? A typically ignorant label from right wing Americans


....it is obvious because the anti-American left are cause of the majority of those deaths....

I can't believe how ignorant you are and you call others "arrogant"

Just what is "anti-American" ?
And who exactly do you think are victims of those gun deaths and why are they "anti-American" ?

Have you ever heard of Joe McCarthy and his committee of un-American activities ? It was stupid then, it is beyond stupid now.



...there is no such critter. All leftists are by definition anti-American....


How are they un-American or anti-American. Is wanting to repeal parts of the Constitution is "counter-revolutionary" ?
You don't even know what "leftist" means - that you can't conceive of the "pro-American" left just displays your ignorance further


...to be pro-American one must support the founding principles of "Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness" ...


Which is what every left wing politician in America does

Why would a left wing politician oppose this - to get more votes ??? (more ignorance)


...there are those on the right who, like leftists, want to see Americans dead, their rights violates, and enslaved to their every whim, but they are a much smaller minority than the anti-American left....

And who on the right or left in the USA wants to see American dead ?
I grant you that a significant part of Trump's core support is white supremacist and want certain ethic groups "cleansed" from the USA - is this what you mean ?


...once again demonstrating your ignorance of basic civics....

You talk about the anti-American left and wanting Americans dead and then make accusations of "ignorance". You live in a 1950's bubble of Joe McCarthy un-American activities

Why don't you name a policy that you personally brand "anti-American" ?


...why am I not surprised?

Because you're a narrow minded little American with a totally ignorant outlook


...Congress enacts the laws, not Presidents....

Actually presidents sign bills into law - or not (unless there a 2/3 majority in both houses)



...only a leftist couldn't possible imagine how plastering every school in the nation with a big neon sign that says NO GUNS ALLOWED HERE wouldn't attract every crazy in the nation, knowing that they faced no armed opposition...

Only an ignorant fool would think that such a sign was some kind of invitation in the face of armed school resource officers. And yes students and teachers and parents cab't carry guns...

"The Gun-Free School Zones Act is an act of the U.S. Congress...the law applies to public, private, and parochial elementary schools and high schools, and to non-private property within 1000 feet of them. It provides that the states may issue licenses that exempt the licensed individuals from the prohibition...
...it was first introduced in the U.S. Senate in February 1990...and then was incorporated into the Crime Control Act of 1990 that was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush...."



Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia


A Republican president. So you think if the signs were taken down, or never erected then mass shootings at school would be deterred ? Are you really that ignorant ?
 
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Well, that didn't take long.

POLICE: Three dead including shooter at Duncan, OK Walmart


Told ya all :roll:

More guns does not make a polite society. More guns only make for more gun deaths.

Of course, anyone with a ****ing brain would have known that. :doh

So you're just not going to mention that it was an armed citizen who stopped that attack?

Person legally carrying gun stops Walmart shooting in Duncan, Oklahoma - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center
 
You demonstrate an astonishing amount of ignorance with every post.

Leftist fascism ?

What about rightist fascism - you don't even know the meaning of leftist/right or the meaning of the word "fascism"
You don't even know that the founder of fascism was a devote socialist leftist, and fascism can only be applied to the left since it is entirely a leftist ideology. The right can be totalitarian, but only the left can be fascist.

I know, I have one issued by the state of Georgia
Now tell me where it was claimed that the federal government do and/or the states don't ?
Apparently you didn't know that until after I pointed it out to you, and you claimed the federal government issued driver's licenses in your very last post.

I would support a federal driving license that's much harder to pass though
Only someone with absolutely no clue about how government functions could post such utter nonsense, and then have the audacity to lie about it after-the-fact. It isn't very bright to deny making posts you recently made.

You (obviously) have no clue on what's been said in this thread - Could you possibly get any more arrogant ?

And I think I know more about government works than you do...didn't you just use a label "leftist fascism" ? A typically ignorant label from right wing Americans

I can't believe how ignorant you are and you call others "arrogant"
I'm not the one going around dictating what others should or shouldn't own, remember? That would be you.

Have you ever heard of Joe McCarthy and his committee of un-American activities ? It was stupid then, it is beyond stupid now.
Now you demonstrate your ignorance of American history, as expected. For your information, it was SENATOR Joseph McCarthy who had absolutely no connection with the Democrat-controlled HOUSE Un-American Activities Committee. Unlike Sen. McCarthy, who kept his investigations limited to the State Department and Department of Defense, the anti-American Democrat fascists where running rampant violating the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments of American citizens.

Actually presidents sign bills into law - or not (unless there a 2/3 majority in both houses)
No, actually, they do not. Typical ignorant response by someone who doesn't have the first clue about how their own government functions.

Bills passed by Congress become law automatically after 10 calendar days (excluding Sundays) while Congress is in session. No signature by the President is required.

This just further demonstrates that you have never bothered to read the US Constitution. You appear to relish your ignorance.

Only an ignorant fool would think that such a sign was some kind of invitation in the face of armed school resource officers. And yes students and teachers and parents cab't carry guns...
We get ignorant fools all the time, as your posts demonstrate. They typically vote Democrat. Teachers, parents, and even students can and do carry firearms in Alaska. We even have indoor gun ranges built into our public high schools.

"The Gun-Free School Zones Act is an act of the U.S. Congress...the law applies to public, private, and parochial elementary schools and high schools, and to non-private property within 1000 feet of them. It provides that the states may issue licenses that exempt the licensed individuals from the prohibition...
...it was first introduced in the U.S. Senate in February 1990...and then was incorporated into the Crime Control Act of 1990 that was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush...."


Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia

A Republican president. So you think if the signs were taken down, or never erected then mass shootings at school would be deterred ? Are you really that ignorant ?
The Gun Free School Zone Act of 1990 was illegal, and thrown out by the Supreme Court in United States v. Alfonso D. Lopez, Jr., 514 U.S. 549 (1995). Naturally since it violated the rights of every American you would support it. Once again demonstrating your ignorance.
 
You demonstrate an astonishing amount of ignorance with every post...

I think you demonstrate an EVEN greater level of ignorance with every post

...you don't even know that the founder of fascism was a devote socialist leftist, and fascism can only be applied to the left since it is entirely a leftist ideology. The right can be totalitarian, but only the left can be fascist....

So Mussolini used to be a socialist.

He was also a national and dreamed of a latter day Roman empire.
I found this too: "Mussolini found much of John Maynard Keynes’s economic theories consistent with fascism, writing: “Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes", despite the latter’s prominent position as a Liberal...

So whist Mussolini argued for state control, he was circumspect in his extension of socialism

You don't understand totalitarianism, Mussolini was a dictator. we're talking about to distribution of political power. What you and many Americans can't grasp is that communism and capitalism are economic systems concerned with the distribution of wealth.

So you idea that only the left can be fascist or the right be totalitarian is nonsense

For a start you don't understand what right wing and left wing mean.


....apparently you didn't know that until after I pointed it out to you, and you claimed the federal government issued driver's licenses in your very last post...

A total lie, when did I say that. In what post#


...only someone with absolutely no clue about how government functions could post such utter nonsense, and then have the audacity to lie about it after-the-fact...

Show us this "lie" and who is lying with the post# and be prepared to be embarrassed


...I'm not the one going around dictating what others should or shouldn't own, remember? That would be you....

I'm not dictating it either. Remember that requires a dictator, dictating an order

...now you demonstrate your ignorance of American history, as expected. For your information, it was SENATOR Joseph McCarthy who had absolutely no connection with the Democrat-controlled HOUSE Un-American Activities Committee....

Sorry you are right:

"The House committee's anti-communist investigations are often compared with those of Joseph McCarthy who, as a U.S. Senator, had no direct involvement with this House committee. McCarthy was the chairman of the Government Operations Committee "


...No, actually, they do not....

Yes they do, typical ignorance on your part - maybe you should learn a bit about how US governments operate ?


...Bills passed by Congress become law automatically after 10 calendar days (excluding Sundays) while Congress is in session. No signature by the President is required...

"The power of the President to refuse to approve a bill or joint resolution and thus prevent its enactment into law is the veto. ... The president cannot return the bill to Congress. The president's decision not to sign the legislation is a pocket veto and Congress does not have the opportunity to override."


...this just further demonstrates that you have never bothered to read the US Constitution....


This further demonstrates you are ignorant on US law


...we get ignorant fools all the time, as your posts demonstrate....

As your posts demonstrate, there is a lot of ignorance around the USA - it is better that your ignorant vote remains uncast.

...the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1990 was illegal, and thrown out by the Supreme Court. Naturally since it violated the rights of every American you would support it. Once again demonstrating your ignorance.

You are probably ignorant of the fact that Georgia recently allowed parents to take guns into school grounds, not building and parts of airports

Banning guns from school buildings ans parts of airport (and federal buildings Btw not to mention a lot if not the bulk of places of business) violates no rights in America.


Only an ignorant fool would say such a thing.
There are a lot more places where you cannot take a gun in the USA.
 
After the shooter killed his estranged wife and boyfriend.
Yup, can't be everywhere at once. Good thing he was stopped before he could kill more than that. Of course, the estranged wife and boyfriend would still be alive if they were armed themselves, but I guess they didn't care about their lives enough to protect them. Free will is a bitch sometimes.
 
Yup, can't be everywhere at once. Good thing he was stopped before he could kill more than that. Of course, the estranged wife and boyfriend would still be alive if they were armed themselves, but I guess they didn't care about their lives enough to protect them. Free will is a bitch sometimes.

Do you know where people get to use their weapons defensively all the time to protect themselves? War zones.

Is that your ideal model of a safe place to live?
 
Do you know where people get to use their weapons defensively all the time to protect themselves? War zones.

Is that your ideal model of a safe place to live?
Which war zone were you in?
 
Yup, can't be everywhere at once. Good thing he was stopped before he could kill more than that. Of course, the estranged wife and boyfriend would still be alive if they were armed themselves, but I guess they didn't care about their lives enough to protect them. Free will is a bitch sometimes.

I doubt if he wanted to kill any more.

He shot himself at that time.
 
I doubt if he wanted to kill any more.

He shot himself at that time.

That's what active shooters do when confronted by a gun. They almost always suicide.
 
Why does that matter?
You're talking to someone who has been to a war zone, so you're not going to be able to preach to me about war zones if you've never been in one.

Are you denying that guns are used defensively most often in war zones?
I have no data on that.
 
You're talking to someone who has been to a war zone, so you're not going to be able to preach to me about war zones if you've never been in one.


I have no data on that.

You need data because you’re not sure guns are used defensively more often in war zones than in peacetime civilian areas? Where do you live?
 
You need data because you’re not sure guns are used defensively more often in war zones than in peacetime civilian areas? Where do you live?
Your 'warzone' argument is going to backfire because everyone had a machinegun on them and there were no green-on-green mass shootings. We even *gasp* carried our machine guns into private businesses and the federal post office. You can post your data if you like but your entire 'warzone' argument doesn't matter in the first place, so there's no way you can 'win' with it. My location is listed under my avatar.
 
Your 'warzone' argument is going to backfire because everyone had a machinegun on them and there were no green-on-green mass shootings. We even *gasp* carried our machine guns into private businesses and the federal post office. You can post your data if you like but your entire 'warzone' argument doesn't matter in the first place, so there's no way you can 'win' with it. My location is listed under my avatar.

I will say though that my daughter has told me she was very comforted carrying her M4 if she had to make a night time trip to the Porta Potty.
 
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