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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Do you know where people get to use their weapons defensively all the time to protect themselves? War zones.

    Is that your ideal model of a safe place to live?
    More People Use a Gun in Self-Defense Each Year Than Die in Car Accidents

    In 1995 research by criminologists Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz concluded there are between 2.2 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually.

    Source: Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Why does that matter?
    You're talking to someone who has been to a war zone, so you're not going to be able to preach to me about war zones if you've never been in one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Are you denying that guns are used defensively most often in war zones?
    I have no data on that.
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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    You're talking to someone who has been to a war zone, so you're not going to be able to preach to me about war zones if you've never been in one.


    I have no data on that.
    You need data because you’re not sure guns are used defensively more often in war zones than in peacetime civilian areas? Where do you live?

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    You need data because you’re not sure guns are used defensively more often in war zones than in peacetime civilian areas? Where do you live?
    Your 'warzone' argument is going to backfire because everyone had a machinegun on them and there were no green-on-green mass shootings. We even *gasp* carried our machine guns into private businesses and the federal post office. You can post your data if you like but your entire 'warzone' argument doesn't matter in the first place, so there's no way you can 'win' with it. My location is listed under my avatar.
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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    Your 'warzone' argument is going to backfire because everyone had a machinegun on them and there were no green-on-green mass shootings. We even *gasp* carried our machine guns into private businesses and the federal post office. You can post your data if you like but your entire 'warzone' argument doesn't matter in the first place, so there's no way you can 'win' with it. My location is listed under my avatar.
    I will say though that my daughter has told me she was very comforted carrying her M4 if she had to make a night time trip to the Porta Potty.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by RF667799 View Post
    I will say though that my daughter has told me she was very comforted carrying her M4 if she had to make a night time trip to the Porta Potty.
    And to think if she did that in the US she would go to prison for 10-25 years.
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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    And to think if she did that in the US she would go to prison for 10-25 years.
    I don't think my daughter would consider that capability in a self defense weapon was crucial. (I don't think she would have anything against someone who did want that though, either.) I know when she asked if I would lend her something to keep in her house temporarily, she- with some input from me- chose something that looks and acts a lot like an M4 (Core 15 Scout).

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    Your 'warzone' argument is going to backfire because everyone had a machinegun on them and there were no green-on-green mass shootings. We even *gasp* carried our machine guns into private businesses and the federal post office. You can post your data if you like but your entire 'warzone' argument doesn't matter in the first place, so there's no way you can 'win' with it. My location is listed under my avatar.
    Well yeah I know. When it comes to bullheaded conservative arguments, how can ANYONE ever win? War zones are safer than civilian areas? Yeah sure, why not?

    Every single scientific organization on the entire planet is wrong on climate change, but some Manhattan real estate guy is the one who really knows what he is talking about on the subject. Yeah sure, OK.

    Obama’s deficit while trying to dig us out of the greatest recession in our history was irresponsible, but Trump’s ballooning deficit in the middle of an ongoing economic expansion, just so he can cut taxes to the wealthiest, is a good example of prudent conservative fiscal policy.

    Up is down and down is up.

    Yeah OK bud. They say so on Fox News, so it must be right.





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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    And to think if she did that in the US she would go to prison for 10-25 years.
    Wrong, as usual....

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    More People Use a Gun in Self-Defense Each Year Than Die in Car Accidents

    In 1995 research by criminologists Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz concluded there are between 2.2 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually.

    Source: Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun
    A widely debunked study

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