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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Gun ownership by household is steadily declining.
    All that proves is that gun owners are getting smart and not telling what arms they do or don't have.



    There may be an increase in firearm sales due to gun owners purchasing multiple firearms out of a fear of an assault weapons ban, but there are fewer Americans choosing to exercise their second amendment rights than there used to be. This is the problem. No matter how many guns you own, you can still only vote once in any election.
    Statistics say the percentage of households have stayed relatively the same.Not decreasing.
    • Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2018 | Statista

    Your constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms requires the consent of your anti-gun neighbors no matter how much you wish it didn't. If you want to keep this right, you had better reassure them that you are responsible, and support only responsible people carrying firearms.
    Anti-2nd amendment trash don't give a rats ass how responsible gun owners are or aren't.

    No permit carry is not the way to do this.
    Yeah man how dare states reaffirm what the constitution already gives you the right to do.
    Anti-2nd amendment trash claimed the same crap during the 1990s.That Clinton ban that caused democrats to get their asses handed to them in the house and senate.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Yikes. I'm pro second amendment, but carrying a firearm in public without training of any kind is just asking for trouble. I foresee this as ultimately doing more harm to 2nd amendment rights in OK than good. The 2nd amendment is only as strong as it's dumbest adherent.
    I am tired of showing people with conceal carry permits how to load their gun or take it off safety. They went trough the training and passed and then 5 years later they decide to actually shoot their gun and have no idea how it even works. The training is a joke at best.
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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    so if lots more people die from being shot in oklahoma restrictions on gun ownership good?

    if less people die form being shot making it easier to have a gun good?
    1.Anti-2nd amendment trash have been making doom and gloom predictions and how its going to be the wild west because of states reaffirming our 2nd amendment rights. So far this doom and gloom and wild west nonsense hasn't happened.

    2. Our constitutional rights are not determined by how many people abuse them. If it did then certain religions can be banned. So could certain media outlets deemed dangerous.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    It is a horrible idea to require firearms training before allowing someone to carry a concealed firearm? Wouldn't this help prevent accidents?
    Not sure if your experience but I have more hands on experience firing and training and live fire shooting than most law enforcement. My kids have all been trained by me. But there is no school or what you could call documentable formal training. So what exactly are you asking for training wise? I can tell you that the required class training for current CC holders is a joke.


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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    No. Its all firearm-related deaths.
    In other words you included irrelevant statistics to fraudulently boost the number of people actually die of violent deaths in order to give the false impression of how died from firearm homicides.

    All the homicide rates above indicate is that a person in Alaska is about twice as likely, 106/51, to die of firearm homicide than a person in Illinois.
    All a firearm homicide rate is used for is to make a place that has way more actual homicides which is usually ran by liberals seem way safer than a place with less actual homicides.You are not more likely to die from a firearm homicide in Alaska than you in Illinois. Anyone claiming you are more likely to die from a firearm homicide in Alaska than you are in Illinois is either a liar or a brain dead idiot.



    Speaking for the US, states that enact stronger gun law result in lower overall suicide rate, including lower suicide by firearm.

    If someone should so choose for lack of access to a firearm, they may do so. It just happens less often with stronger gun law.
    Correlation doesn't equal causation. Those laws didn't ban ropes or prevent people from duying of drug overdoses or jumping from a building.PLus those studies never explain how those laws stop people from committing suicide.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.Anti-2nd amendment trash have been making doom and gloom predictions and how its going to be the wild west because of states reaffirming our 2nd amendment rights. So far this doom and gloom and wild west nonsense hasn't happened.

    2. Our constitutional rights are not determined by how many people abuse them. If it did then certain religions can be banned. So could certain media outlets deemed dangerous.
    any one in a well regulated militia? letting any one have a gun regardless of ther sanity, criminal history, training , and any negligence, when it comes to securing ther weapons sems stupidly insane how can you even relgiate your milita well with that?

    seems to be nothing in the constitution talking about restions on what type of arms you can have or on the state knowing what you have either

    dont think you can legally murder for your religion or call for specific peoples death though it seems legal to call for the death penalty for people who offend your religion

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    any one in a well regulated militia? letting any one have a gun regardless of ther sanity, criminal history, training , and any negligence, when it comes to securing ther weapons sems stupidly insane how can you even relgiate your milita well with that?

    seems to be nothing in the constitution talking about restions on what type of arms you can have or on the state knowing what you have either

    dont think you can legally murder for your religion or call for specific peoples death though it seems legal to call for the death penalty for people who offend your religion
    a well regulated militia meant one in working order. It has zero relevance to do with the fact that the federal government had no power to interfere with the arms private citizens could keep and or bear
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a well regulated militia meant one in working order. It has zero relevance to do with the fact that the federal government had no power to interfere with the arms private citizens could keep and or bear
    the nature and know how of who is in your milita as well as knowledge of its assets seem very relevant to its working order

    it has everything to do with the 2nd amendment since the militia is why the right to bear arms is not infringed

    and the states ave an interest in lowering the amount of how many people get shot as well

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    the nature and know how of who is in your milita as well as knowledge of its assets seem very relevant to its working order

    it has everything to do with the 2nd amendment since the militia is why the right to bear arms is not infringed

    and the states ave an interest in lowering the amount of how many people get shot as well
    Incorrect. The militia has absolutely nothing to do with our individual right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment exists because the anti-Federalists feared the Federalists would restrict firearm ownership and prevent States from forming their own militia. Or use selective firearm ownership to create a political federal militia. Therefore, the anti-Federalists created the Second Amendment in order to prevent the Federalists from imposing any kind of restriction against firearms and preventing States from creating their own militias. The right to keep and bear arms has absolutely nothing to do with membership in any militia.

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    Re: Constitutional carry now in effect in Oklahoma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Incorrect. The militia has absolutely nothing to do with our individual right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment exists because the anti-Federalists feared the Federalists would restrict firearm ownership and prevent States from forming their own militia. Or use selective firearm ownership to create a political federal militia. Therefore, the anti-Federalists created the Second Amendment in order to prevent the Federalists from imposing any kind of restriction against firearms and preventing States from creating their own militias. The right to keep and bear arms has absolutely nothing to do with membership in any militia.
    not seeing it

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    no regulations on weapons seems like they are bad for regulating the mitias we don't have as well as are security

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