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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you ignorant of the fact that he didn't have any legally owned machine guns-or any machine guns for that matter?
    He had something very similar that was capable of automatic fire.

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Depends on his skill level. But we both agree that the Vegas Environment was a real outlier in terms of a shooting environment. In ten minutes, with ten rifles, with that many targets, someone with target discipline (ie the guy who upon flushing a covey of quail picks one bird before moving to another, rather than shooting at the entire flock) most likely could have killed well over 100. An amateur you might be right. But several shotguns loaded with 000 buck would have been really brutal. Even worse, if Paddock fueled one of his planes up and flew it into the crowed at 200 MPH
    So we're lucky Paddock didn't have more training with guns.


    You're happy to let people own 7.62mm belt fed machine guns....until someone really massacres a large crowd ?

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    He had something very similar that was capable of automatic fire.
    that really doesn't matter. and a good shooter without bumb stocks could have killed far more people by actually aiming. Automatic fire is used to suppress movement or defensive fire, or to break contact when delivered with hand held weapons. aimed fire is what one uses to engage targets
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    So we're lucky Paddock didn't have more training with guns.


    You're happy to let people own 7.62mm belt fed machine guns....until someone really massacres a large crowd ?
    people do own those things and have so since they were invented. No one has ever been murdered in the USA with a legally owned (by private citizen)belt fed machine gun. No one has ever been murdered by a private citizen using a legally owned Assault Rifle Either.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...that really doesn't matter and a good shooter without bump stocks could have killed far more people by actually aiming. Automatic fire is used to suppress movement or defensive fire, or to break contact when delivered with hand held weapons. aimed fire is what one uses to engage targets...
    Paddock knew the police would be breaking down his hotel room door very soon and wanted to get rounds off.

    He had a tripod too, glad he had a relatively weak semi-automatic firearm instead of one designed to fire 7.62mm NATO


    ...people do own those things and have so since they were invented. No one has ever been murdered in the USA with a legally owned (by private citizen)belt fed machine gun. No one has ever been murdered by a private citizen using a legally owned Assault Rifle Either.
    So you'd rather wait until one does.

    Are you sure about the assault rifle claim ?

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    He had something very similar that was capable of automatic fire.
    no he didn't. those firearms were not capable of automatic fire
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Paddock knew the police would be breaking down his hotel room door very soon and wanted to get rounds off.

    He had a tripod too, glad he had a relatively weak semi-automatic firearm instead of one designed to fire 7.62mm NATO




    So you'd rather wait until one does.

    Are you sure about the assault rifle claim ?
    yep, the two weapons I am aware of that were used to murder and were legally owned were a Mac-11 SMG and an UZI SMG I believe.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no he didn't. those firearms were not capable of automatic fire...
    They were with a buttstock.

    How do you explain the automatic fire coming from the Mandalay hotel ?



    ...yep, the two weapons I am aware of that were used to murder and were legally owned were a Mac-11 SMG and an UZI SMG I believe.

    "The Madison County shooter who critically wounded one deputy and injured another in a shootout with law enforcement Thursday was equipped with two fully automatic rifles, two officials said.
    It is extremely unusual for a fully automatic weapon to be used in a crime say ATF officials...
    ...no statistics detailing automatic vs. semiautomatic weapons used in crimes exist, since 1934 there are only four known instances of automatic weapons used in crimes where someone was killed. In three of those instances the weapons were legally obtained, with two of them illegally used by law enforcement officers...
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    MS deputies shot with rare, fully automatic rifles, officials say

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    They were with a buttstock.

    How do you explain the automatic fire coming from the Mandalay hotel ?






    "The Madison County shooter who critically wounded one deputy and injured another in a shootout with law enforcement Thursday was equipped with two fully automatic rifles, two officials said.
    It is extremely unusual for a fully automatic weapon to be used in a crime say ATF officials...
    ...no statistics detailing automatic vs. semiautomatic weapons used in crimes exist, since 1934 there are only four known instances of automatic weapons used in crimes where someone was killed. In three of those instances the weapons were legally obtained, with two of them illegally used by law enforcement officers...
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    MS deputies shot with rare, fully automatic rifles, officials say
    there was no automatic fire in Las Vegas. And your report talks about three cases of legally owned Auto firearms, I knew of a couple

    IN other words, there was no legitimate reason for Democrats to ban people buying such weapons made after May 19, 1986 given ONLY one case of a private citizen. there are hundreds of thousands of legally owned automatics by private citizens
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: You Guys Can Exhale Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there was no automatic fire in Las Vegas....
    Yes there was - Paddock had and used "bump stocks"

    "Authorities say Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock used a dozen 'bump stock' devices during his rampage Sunday night that left 58 dead and hundreds injured..."



    ...in other words, there was no legitimate reason for Democrats to ban people buying such weapons made after May 19, 1986 given ONLY one case of a private citizen. there are hundreds of thousands of legally owned automatics by private citizens

    So ban semi automatic guns but don't ban fully automatic, is that what you're proposing


    And the gun lobby calls Democrats "stupid". Congrats for the most idiotic post of the day.


    SMH.

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