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Republicans aren't wrong about 'People with Metnal health Issues'

Rich2018 said:
QED: They can view your vehicle as a necessity to work.

The need to work is regarded as a necessity.
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Define necessity.

(I'll ignore your begging the question . A need is regarded as a necessity indeed. LOL)
 
RF667799 said:
You are so wrapping yourself in circles that at this point you're embarrassing yourself....
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The phrase is arguing in circles
ie: A circular argument - and no it's not. Not that you would know what a circular argument is


...you're conflating things the IRS views as a business expense with things the IRS doesn't give a **** about...
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An allowable business expense is a necessity to do that job - ie: to work

I'm not sure but I doubt the IRS would allow just any business expense, you'd have to claim they were necessary to do your job. I could buy a suit to work in, but this isn't a requirement of my job


...tax codes have nothing at all to do with whether my truck is more necessary than your car...
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No, you have to show your truck is necessary to do your job


...define necessity...
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In this case, an object, without which, would make the completion of your employment, impossible.
 
Rich2018 said:
The phrase is arguing in circles
ie: A circular argument - and no it's not. Not that you would know what a circular argument is




An allowable business expense is a necessity to do that job - ie: to work

I'm not sure but I doubt the IRS would allow just any business expense, you'd have to claim they were necessary to do your job. I could buy a suit to work in, but this isn't a requirement of my job




No, you have to show your truck is necessary to do your job





In this case, an object, without which, would make the completion of your employment, impossible.
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As your argument has gotten moronic to the point it is nearly indecipherable, you can enjoy arguing with yourself.

Feel free to have the last word.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, rather than your claims are less than believable based on the standard of your posts - lack of research, false claims, school boy standard of "macho" stories etc




So maintain your claims are valid based on the length of time you've been making them ?




Someone in a prosecutors office for 30 years wouldn't cast aside the annual level of death and injury we see in the USA due to gun misuse

They would class one death due to negligence as "horrific" and they certainly would also regard a suicide as a loss of a valuable life and not dismiss it out of hand

It appears that you wouldn't class a million gun casualties a year as "horrific" or would you ?

In which office do you claim to have worked ?
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For someone who wasn't even brought up in this country, your claims about my veracity are hilarious. And no, given how many legal gun owners here are, your doom and gloom nonsense is just that. And I still don't believe that public safety is what motivates your desire to make American citizens sitting ducks for armed criminals.
 
RF667799 said:
As your argument has gotten moronic to the point it is nearly indecipherable, you can enjoy arguing with yourself.

Feel free to have the last word.
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I accept your sword in surrender, given that you have run out of ammunition for what passed as an argument and replaced reasoned argument with abuse.
 
TurtleDude said:
For someone who wasn't even brought up in this country...
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You are so quick to judge immigrants

And yes, Lt Col Vindman, of the US Army, who gave evidence to the House Committee on Intelligence today, wasn't brought up in this country either



...your claims about my veracity are hilarious....
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Simple minds are easily amused...oh look a... - Quote


....given how many legal gun owners here are, your doom and gloom nonsense is just that....
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Legal gun owners like Stephen Paddock (up to the point where he became a mass shooter)


...and I still don't believe that public safety is what motivates your desire to make American citizens sitting ducks for armed criminals.
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And I remain dubious that Americans, denuded of their guns, would be "sitting ducks" for criminals

Especially as you claim that the bulk is directed inward to similar criminals.
 
Rich2018 said:
You are so quick to judge immigrants

And yes, Lt Col Vindman, of the US Army, who gave evidence to the House Committee on Intelligence today, wasn't brought up in this country either






Simple minds are easily amused...oh look a... - Quote





Legal gun owners like Stephen Paddock (up to the point where he became a mass shooter)





And I remain dubious that Americans, denuded of their guns, would be "sitting ducks" for criminals

Especially as you claim that the bulk is directed inward to similar criminals.
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Your fear of honest citizens being armed is as amusing as it is silly
 
Rich2018 said:
You are so quick to judge immigrants

And yes, Lt Col Vindman, of the US Army, who gave evidence to the House Committee on Intelligence today, wasn't brought up in this country either






Simple minds are easily amused...oh look a... - Quote





Legal gun owners like Stephen Paddock (up to the point where he became a mass shooter)





And I remain dubious that Americans, denuded of their guns, would be "sitting ducks" for criminals

Especially as you claim that the bulk is directed inward to similar criminals.
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Rich, I have been reading this back-and forth between you and Turtledude ( who is one of my favorite posters on this board, full disclosure) and I would like to ask you a few questions....

1. Do you agree that there are hundreds of thousands of armed criminals living among us in this country?
2. Do you agree that these criminals victimize innocent, law abiding citizens EVERY DAY by murdering them, raping them, assaulting them and causing great bodily injury? How are people supposed to defend themselves ? The police carry guns. Why? Many of us law abiding CCW permit holders have better firearms training than the police and practice scenarios more than they do also. Do you think the police can protect you? The police usually arrive AFTER the crime has been commited and draw the chalk outline around the bodies.
3. Do you really think that there is no reason whatsoever for any law abiding citizen who wants to CCW a gun to protect themselves to do so?
4. Finally, would you agree that that maybe to solve our murder problem we need to not blame "mental health issues" but just try and solve what is causing people to think its OK to take another human's life?

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TurtleDude said:
Your fear of honest citizens being armed is as amusing as it is silly
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Your assumption that "honest citizens" do not commit crimes (especially when armed) is both stupid and naive.

And once again leads me to doubt your claims of 30 experience in prosecution.


In other words the vast bulk of mass shootings are committed by people (like Stephen Paddock) who were "honest citizens" up to the point that they decided to be mass shooters.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
Rich, I have been reading this back-and forth between you and Turtledude ( who is one of my favorite posters on this board, full disclosure) and I would like to ask you a few questions....

1. Do you agree that there are hundreds of thousands of armed criminals living among us in this country?
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Yes


2. Do you agree that these criminals victimize innocent, law abiding citizens EVERY DAY by murdering them, raping them, assaulting them and causing great bodily injury?
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No

In fact TurtleDude suggested that most shootings by criminals were against other elements of the criminal community


...how are people supposed to defend themselves ?
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Not with guns

Be smart and be safe.

I have nearly 20 years experience of living in the USA and not needed a gun

How do you suppose people in the UK and Australia defend themselves ?


...the police carry guns. Why?
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Sadly because there are so many guns...Btw French and German police carry guns despite a ban on guns, as do most police forces in Europe


...many of us law abiding CCW permit holders have better firearms training than the police...
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What is your criteria for "many" in this context...because I somehow doubt that


...do you think the police can protect you?
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Yes


3. Do you really think that there is no reason whatsoever for any law abiding citizen who wants to CCW a gun to protect themselves to do so?
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If you must have a gun as a comfort blanket, by all means buy one. Even the strict British gun controls allow for some guns to be owned


4. Finally, would you agree that that maybe to solve our murder problem we need to not blame "mental health issues" but just try and solve what is causing people to think its OK to take another human's life?
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Good luck with that

And while I applaud all efforts to cure various mental issues, you have far more than that working against you

Whilst some opponents of gun control state there are too many guns even for a country as powerful as the USA to collect (Excuse 3.1) It would be more accurate that there are too many people with motivations to be violently selfish for the USA to deal with.

Just that when you take their guns away, the consequences of them being violent are less destructive in lives and limb.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes




No

In fact TurtleDude suggested that most shootings by criminals were against other elements of the criminal community




Not with guns

Be smart and be safe.

I have nearly 20 years experience of living in the USA and not needed a gun

How do you suppose people in the UK and Australia defend themselves ?




Sadly because there are so many guns...Btw French and German police carry guns despite a ban on guns, as do most police forces in Europe




What is your criteria for "many" in this context...because I somehow doubt that




Yes




If you must have a gun as a comfort blanket, by all means buy one. Even the strict British gun controls allow for some guns to be owned




Good luck with that

And while I applaud all efforts to cure various mental issues, you have far more than that working against you

Whilst some opponents of gun control state there are too many guns even for a country as powerful as the USA to collect (Excuse 3.1) It would be more accurate that there are too many people with motivations to be violently selfish for the USA to deal with.

Just that when you take their guns away, the consequences of them being violent are less destructive in lives and limb.
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its hilarious to see constant demands for gun bans then admitting it cannot happen.
 
TurtleDude said:
its hilarious to see constant demands for gun bans then admitting it cannot happen.
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I think you mean depressing...and while I have said the real of the 2nd amendment will never happen, I do actually think there's a small chance it could it the wording of the amendment that replaced it allowed for guns to be owned, just not any gun.
 
Saboteur said:
Nothing, they're just going to continue to demonize the left while lining their pockets with NRA money.
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Yeah, I didn't get my check this month, and I'm a lifetime member! :(
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes




No

In fact TurtleDude suggested that most shootings by criminals were against other elements of the criminal community




Not with guns

Be smart and be safe.

I have nearly 20 years experience of living in the USA and not needed a gun

How do you suppose people in the UK and Australia defend themselves ?




Sadly because there are so many guns...Btw French and German police carry guns despite a ban on guns, as do most police forces in Europe




What is your criteria for "many" in this context...because I somehow doubt that




Yes




If you must have a gun as a comfort blanket, by all means buy one. Even the strict British gun controls allow for some guns to be owned




Good luck with that

And while I applaud all efforts to cure various mental issues, you have far more than that working against you

Whilst some opponents of gun control state there are too many guns even for a country as powerful as the USA to collect (Excuse 3.1) It would be more accurate that there are too many people with motivations to be violently selfish for the USA to deal with.

Just that when you take their guns away, the consequences of them being violent are less destructive in lives and limb.
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Be smart and be safe huh? So stay at home and don't go out? I'm pretty sure that the victims of say, the recent shooting at the sports bar in Thousand Oaks Ca. thought they were pretty safe just being in a public place and hanging out with their friends. That's not "criminal on criminal crime" And what about victims of rape that occurs in their own home? That happens you know? So again I ask you, how are people supposed to defend themselves?



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Maidenrules29 said:
Be smart and be safe huh? So stay at home and don't go out?
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Don't go to areas where you're statistically more at risk


Nothing will protect you in a school/church/mall environment other than the timely arrival of law enforcement

Unless of course, we ban guns


...the recent shooting at the sports bar in Thousand Oaks Ca. thought they were pretty safe just being in a public place and hanging out with their friends....
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But their assailant had guns


...that's not "criminal on criminal crime"
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No, but gun owners, when presented with stats on 10,000 homicides by gun pa. say that the stat doesn't matter as most attacks are criminal on criminal

So which is it ?

Are guns a huge danger to ordinary people or not ???


...and what about victims of rape that occurs in their own home?
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And a gun helps how ?

How to women in the UK protect themselves ?


...how are people supposed to defend themselves?
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The same way as people in the UK do...and people countries like France, Germany, Australia, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, Spain, Belgium, Ireland....


You gt the point ?

Once again excuse 2.2
 
Rich2018 said:
Don't go to areas where you're statistically more at risk


Nothing will protect you in a school/church/mall environment other than the timely arrival of law enforcement

Unless of course, we ban guns




But their assailant had guns




No, but gun owners, when presented with stats on 10,000 homicides by gun pa. say that the stat doesn't matter as most attacks are criminal on criminal

So which is it ?

Are guns a huge danger to ordinary people or not ???





And a gun helps how ?

How to women in the UK protect themselves ?







The same way as people in the UK do...and people countries like France, Germany, Australia, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, Spain, Belgium, Ireland....


You gt the point ?

Once again excuse 2.2
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more faith based nonsense

here are the facts

gun bans are far more likely to disarm honest people than violent criminals

gun bans thus help violent criminals attack good people safely.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes that is true of all gun bans





That doesn't follow since you don't need a gun for self defense

Excuse 2.2
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You telling us that people don't need a gun for self defense is akin to a faith healer telling a cancer patient that they never need chemotherapy nor surgery to eradicate the malignancy
 
Rich2018 said:
Don't go to areas where you're statistically more at risk


Nothing will protect you in a school/church/mall environment other than the timely arrival of law enforcement

Unless of course, we ban guns




But their assailant had guns




No, but gun owners, when presented with stats on 10,000 homicides by gun pa. say that the stat doesn't matter as most attacks are criminal on criminal

So which is it ?

Are guns a huge danger to ordinary people or not ???





And a gun helps how ?

How to women in the UK protect themselves ?







The same way as people in the UK do...and people countries like France, Germany, Australia, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, Spain, Belgium, Ireland....


You gt the point ?

Once again excuse 2.2
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So how do people in the U.K. defend themselves? You never answered that question. And "by being safe" is not an answer. Even you must know that there IS violent crime in the U.K. Women get raped in the U.K. right? People get stabbed. INNOCENT, law abiding people. It's not just criminals stabbing criminals. If I lived in the UK I would want to be able to carry a concealed handgun for self protection. Your dream of a magic gun ban in the US will never happen. Not many people, especially criminals, are going to turn their guns in. With hundreds of millions of guns in this country, how would you suppose they would be gotten? No one in their right mind is going to sign up for "National gun confiscation" duties here. Civil war would ensue.

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TurtleDude said:
You telling us that people don't need a gun for self defense is akin to a faith healer telling a cancer patient that they never need chemotherapy nor surgery to eradicate the malignancy
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No it's more like telling someone with a headache that a couple of pain pills will fix the problem and that they don't need brain surgery.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
So how do people in the U.K. defend themselves?
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Without guns


And if they're mugged in a dark alley, they hand over their wallet and don't go in that dark alley again


...you must know that there IS violent crime in the U.K. Women get raped in the U.K. right? People get stabbed. INNOCENT, law abiding people....
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Then that's where the police come in

The same thing happens on a larger scale in the USA Btw

IIRC MACE or Pepper Spray was marketed as a way a woman could defend herself against rape, until it was quickly found that MACE etc was the tool of choice by many muggers and rapists.
In the USA substitute MACE for guns

More excuse 2.2

...if I lived in the UK I would want to be able to carry a concealed handgun for self protection....
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Why ?

It offers you NO self defense and if anything puts your life at more risk


...your dream of a magic gun ban in the US will never happen....
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It's unlikely, the gun owners just love their machismo massaging toys too much
They use excuse 2.2 a lot

Conveniently forgetting that even in the USA, most people also don't have a gun or feel the need to own one to meet excuse 2.2


...not many people, especially criminals, are going to turn their guns in....
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Yes they will
Excuse 3.1


...no one in their right mind is going to sign up for "National gun confiscation" duties here....
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Yes they will


...Civil war would ensue....
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ROTFLMAO

OK, you've drifted into fantasy land now.

Come back when you have a reasonable argument.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
Rich, I have been reading this back-and forth between you and Turtledude ( who is one of my favorite posters on this board, full disclosure) and I would like to ask you a few questions....

1. Do you agree that there are hundreds of thousands of armed criminals living among us in this country?
2. Do you agree that these criminals victimize innocent, law abiding citizens EVERY DAY by murdering them, raping them, assaulting them and causing great bodily injury? How are people supposed to defend themselves ? The police carry guns. Why? Many of us law abiding CCW permit holders have better firearms training than the police and practice scenarios more than they do also. Do you think the police can protect you? The police usually arrive AFTER the crime has been commited and draw the chalk outline around the bodies.
3. Do you really think that there is no reason whatsoever for any law abiding citizen who wants to CCW a gun to protect themselves to do so?
4. Finally, would you agree that that maybe to solve our murder problem we need to not blame "mental health issues" but just try and solve what is causing people to think its OK to take another human's life?

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You will learn in short order that Rich is bought and sold on his gun ban ideology, doesnt give the first damn about violent crime or violent criminals, has no interest whatsoever in responding to violent crime or violent criminals, and would gladly...proudly allow someone he might know or care about get beat, raped, robbed, whatever....if it meant the alternative was using a firearm to defend them. As long as he can champion gun bans targeting law abiding citizens it is to him a fair sacrifice.
 
VanceMack said:
You will learn in short order that Rich is bought and sold on his gun ban ideology, doesnt give the first damn about violent crime or violent criminals, has no interest whatsoever in responding to violent crime or violent criminals, and would gladly...proudly allow someone he might know or care about get beat, raped, robbed, whatever....if it meant the alternative was using a firearm to defend them. As long as he can champion gun bans targeting law abiding citizens it is to him a fair sacrifice.
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Gun control lobbyists don't buy into the excuses of gun owners that the need guns, have a right to them and confiscation is impossible anyway.


The most often used excuse is 2.2


Guns are needed because without them they'll be raped/robbed/murdered in an hour/day/week/month/year (delete as appropriate for your level of paranoia).
 
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