Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

VanceMack said:

Heck...why bother machining when polymer molds and the chemical components are pretty much as strong as aluminum. I'm running straight polymer lowers in 2 ARS and an AR pistol right now with zero problems for several years. I was skeptical at first...and Im not sure it will handle the Beowulf...but the 5.56...no problem.

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CaughtInThe said:

here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

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CaughtInThe said:

here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

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VanceMack said:

Heck...why bother machining when polymer molds and the chemical components are pretty much as strong as aluminum. I'm running straight polymer lowers in 2 ARS and an AR pistol right now with zero problems for several years. I was skeptical at first...and Im not sure it will handle the Beowulf...but the 5.56...no problem.

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CaughtInThe said:

here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

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CaughtInThe said:

here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

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VanceMack said:

Here...lets break it down even more simply for you. The city of Chicago went from 378 homicides in 2015 to 536 in 2016.

Now...considering that MOST of Chicago is actually pretty safe, AND considering that Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the state, do you attribute the gun deaths in Chicago to "Gun culture" or ****ty conditions in the places where those gun deaths occur?

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CaughtInThe said:

download the pic and put the dots on the cities that have a lot of people gunned down. let's see if there are lots of people in those cities.

then we'll move on to the women who were gunned down in the last few months and see where they live.

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VanceMack said:

Is the gun violence due to gun culture or the ****ty communities and society they live in?

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VanceMack said:

Is the gun violence due to gun culture or the ****ty communities and society they live in?

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VanceMack said:

That definitely throws a monkey into the wrench! Essentially ALL their definitions of a firearm where ARs are wrong and the receiver is ABSOLUTELY NOT a firearm.

That should read now that a gun is not a gun until it is a gun...a fully functioning firearm.

I suspect whoever they got their definition of a lower 'rcvr' from previously either intentionally or unintentionally gave them the description of a shotgun. Thats the only rcvr mechanism I can think of that would accept a threaded barrel.

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VanceMack said:

I think treason gets a bit over used these days...but yes...I think they should be held accountable.

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CaughtInThe said:

What difference does any of this really make? We're simply a gun culture where people will be gunned down each day and we'll have non-high profile mass shootings a lot and a high profile mass shooting about once a month or so.

The dead people are still dead all over our country. Women still get gunned down by the men they're in relationships with. Kids will still accidentally shoot themselves and friends.

None of those dead people care about definitions or what type of firearm. They're rotting in graves.

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CaughtInThe said:

let's have you answer that question with the data from ONLY the last 3 days of shootings...

Knoxville TN
Waterloo Iowa
Tupelo MS
Littleton Colorado
Philadelphia PA
Jamestown NC
Florence SC
Newberry SC
Baltimore MD
Orlando Florida
Chicago IL
Tuscaloosa Alabama
Honolulu Hawaii
Elizabeth NJ
Tyler Texas
Philadelphia PA
Philadelphia PA
Baltimore MD
Baltimore MD
Philadelphia PA
Midland Texas
Tulsa Oklahoma
Cincinnati Ohio
Cincinnati Ohio
Washington DC
Seward Nebraska
Providence Rhode Island
Kansas City Missouri
Brooklyn NY
Lowell MA
Brooklyn NY
Saint Louis (Jennings) Missouri
Holyoke MA
Newark NJ
Schenectady NY
Denver Colorado
Indianapolis IN
Indianapolis IN
Albuquerque New Mexico
San Antonio Texas
Ethel Louisiana
Meridian MS
Clarksville Tennessee
Minneapolis (Blaine) Minnesota
Roanoke Rapids NC
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Silver Springs MD
Gary IN
Saint Louis Missouri
Saint Louis Missouri
Warner Robins Georgia
Dunedin Florida
Wichita Kansas
Wichita Kansas
Cocoa Florida
Milwaukee Wisconsin
Jacksonville Florida
Neenah Wisconsin
Bethlehem PA
Erie PA
Jersey City NJ
Middletown PA
Norfolk Virginia
Everett PA
High Point NC
Paterson NJ
Fairmont NC
Middletown NJ
Cheraw SC
Gaffney SC
Florence SC
Chicago IL
Athens Georgia
Tampa Florida
Lacoochee Florida
Boston MA
Venice Florida
Jacksonville Florida
Indianapolis IN
Indianapolis IN
Indianapolis IN
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Philadelphia PA
Philadelphia PA
Pine Bluff Arkansas
Birmingham Alabama
Shreveport Louisiana
Conway SC
Monroe Louisiana
Baltimore MD
Nashville Tennessee
Pittsburgh PA
Braddock PA
Midland Texas
Richmond CA
Wilkes Barre PA
Thibodaux Louisiana
Oklahoma City Oklahoma
Jackson MS
Kansas City Missouri
Bronx NY
Philadelphia PA
Buffalo NY
Newark NJ
Ann Arbor Minnesota
Bloomington IN
Troy NY
Bangor Maine
Richmond Virginia
Bronx NY
Fort Worth Texas
Austin Texas
Charlotte NC
Waterbury Connecticut
New York (Manhattan) NY
Baltimore MD
Evansville IN
Corpus Christi Texas
Saint Louis Missouri
Las Vegas Nevada
Troy Nevada
Houston Texas
Dayton Texas
Lafayette IN
Coldwater MS
Fort Wayne IN
Charleston Tennessee
Washington DC
Nashville Tennessee
Kingsport Tennessee
Fort Pierce Florida
Norfolk Virginia
Holyoke MA
Hopkinsville Kentucky
Chicago IL
Oakland CA
Oakland CA
Conover NC
Orlando Florida
Jacksonville Florida
Spartanburg SC
Springfield Missouri
Goose Creek SC
Fort Myers Florida
Kansas City (Raytown) Missouri
Louisville Kentucky
Louisville Kentucky
Augusta Georgia
Atlanta Georgia
Grand Rapids Michigan
Salt Lake City (Millcreek) Utah
Waterloo Iowa
Sandy Utah
Waterloo Iowa
Brooklyn NY
Wichita Kansas
Wichita Kansas
Milwaukee Wisconsin
Milwaukee Wisconsin
Roswell New Mexico
Milwaukee Wisconsin
Jacksonville Florida
Milwaukee Wisconsin
Denver Colorado
Colorado Springs Colorado
Reading PA
Canton Ohio
Mesa Arizona
Watsonville (Pajaro) CA
Philadelphia PA
Stockton CA
Chicago IL
Glendale Arizona
Chicago IL
Manheim PA
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Long Beach CA
Midway PA
Springfield Ohio
Akron Ohio
Paterson NJ
Paterson NJ
Las Vegas Nevada
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Baltimore MD
Buckeye Arizona
Crestview Florida
Chicago IL
St Bernard Ohio
Pittsburgh PA
Irvington NJ
Akron Ohio
El Dorado Arkansas
Fargo North Dakota
Berthold North Dakota
Birmingham Alabama
Birmingham Alabama
New Orleans Louisiana
Harvey Louisiana
Pasco Washington
Methuen MA
Newport News Virginia
Bridgeport Connecticut
Huntsville Alabama
Lompoc CA
San Bernardino CA
Brooklyn NY
Cincinnati Ohio
Baltimore MD
Erie PA
Tucson Arizona
Cleveland Ohio
Houston Texas
Huntsville Alabama
Albuquerque New Mexico
Saint Clair Shores Michigan
Akron Ohio
Hartford Connecticut
Jackson MS
Buffalo NY
Kansas City Missouri
El Paso Texas
Saint Louis Missouri
Eastpointe Michigan
Philadelphia PA
Philadelphia PA
Chandler Arizona
Charlotte NC
Fort Worth Texas
New York (Manhattan) NY
Philadelphia PA
Brooklyn NY
Philadelphia PA
Philadelphia PA
Baltimore MD
Halethorpe MD
Hallowell Maine
Des Moines Iowa
Baltimore MD
Helena Montana
Darlington SC
Galveston Texas
Sparks Nevada
Flint Texas
San Antonio Texas
Crosby Texas
Ventura CA
Westminster CA
Chicago IL
Houston Texas
Carlsbad New Mexico
Stone Mountain Georgia
Pelham New Hampshire
Kansas City Missouri
Lancaster SC
Saint Albans West Virginia
Los Angeles CA
Cambridge MA
Charlotte NC
Myrtle Beach SC
North Port Florida
Charlotte NC
Atlanta Georgia
Macon Georgia
Lagrange Georgia
Columbus Ohio
Chicago IL
Middletown Ohio
Cincinnati (Cheviot) Ohio
Providence Rhode Island
Tampa Florida
Saint Petersburg Florida
Painesville Ohio
Orlando Florida
Jacksonville Florida
Saint Louis Missouri

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apdst said:

All the more reason to repeal anti-gun laws.

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VanceMack said:

Lots of shootings. We agree. now...is the cause 'gun culture' or ****ty life in their communities?

Chicago is on there numerous times. Yet most of Chicago is VERY safe AND Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. So...are the shootings due to gun culture (how can that be) or ****ty life in their communities?

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VanceMack said:

Lots of shootings. We agree. now...is the cause 'gun culture' or ****ty life in their communities?

Chicago is on there numerous times. Yet most of Chicago is VERY safe AND Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. So...are the shootings due to gun culture (how can that be) or ****ty life in their communities?

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TurtleDude said:

The ATF's Definition of an AR-15 Lower as a 'Firearm' Is In Serious Trouble - The Truth About Guns

interesting read on how the law is often corrupted by the government

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CaughtInThe said:

let's have you answer that question with the data from ONLY the last 3 days of shootings...
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL
Chicago IL

Chicago IL
Chicago IL

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CaughtInThe said:

you answer first. it appears like you really wanna say "****ty life in their communities".

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CaughtInThe said:

you answer first. it appears like you really wanna say "****ty life in their communities".

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VanceMack said:

How about this....

That was such a great list I simplified it for you...I omitted every shooting excpt the shootings that occur in all of Illinois.

Look what we found. In thre ENTIRE STATE...

Chicago IL

And not ALL of Chicago. No no...West side..south side...

So...does the 'gun culture' not exist in Illinois EXCEPT in that part of Chicago, or is that part of Chicago is ****ty?

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VanceMack said:

Well of course thats the ONLY answer...because there IS no such thing as 'gun culture' that can be reasonably used to explain any of this.

And if you bothered knowing ANYTHING about what you were talkign about you know this...you understand this.
Examining The Reasons For Chicago's Violence : NPR

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VanceMack said:

While you are formulating your response...perhaps you can examine this map and explain why 'gun culture' only exists in certain parts of this city (assuming 'gun culture' is your answer)?

2019 Deadliest ‘hoods | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

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CaughtInThe said:

it really doesn't matter. we will continue to shoot each other.

just don't turn your back (or let your family/loved ones turn theirs). there may be a nut with a death wish ready to take anyone out.

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