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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    DO you think we have dead people because we have a 'gun culture' or because the people in cities with high gun violence live in **** existences? How do you account for the fact that we have had firearms going back to our formation as a country, with people being able to buy modern AR rifles through the mail all the way back to the 60s and kids going to schools with guns in their gun racks in their cars and didnt have mass shootings until the last few decades...coinciding with the destruction of families? Would you blame the problem of mass shootings on 'gun culture' or the **** existence of people today brought about by modern society?
    People gun each other down in all parts of our country. That's one of the biggest diversions that people use when they try to convince everyone that only gun murders happen in the big cities. That and the fact that there are actually, you know, more people in bigger cities.

    Go look at some website where women are gunned down by their spouses or boyfriends or whatever. They are all over our nation and they are just as dead as if they were in big cities.

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

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    each year, CNC machine tools become more and more available to individuals. And 3D printers become more and more sophisticated. Meaning, criminals and the black market cannot be denied access to firearms. People don't realize what sort of machinery was used to produce things like Sten Guns, Swedish Ks and Uzis.
    Heck...why bother machining when polymer molds and the chemical components are pretty much as strong as aluminum. I'm running straight polymer lowers in 2 ARS and an AR pistol right now with zero problems for several years. I was skeptical at first...and Im not sure it will handle the Beowulf...but the 5.56...no problem.

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInThe View Post
    People gun each other down in all parts of our country. That's one of the biggest diversions that people use when they try to convince everyone that only gun murders happen in the big cities. That and the fact that there are actually, you know, more people in bigger cities.

    Go look at some website where women are gunned down by their spouses or boyfriends or whatever. They are all over our nation and they are just as dead as if they were in big cities.
    Well...no...actually. The vast majority of the murders committed in this country happen in a relatively small number of large cities. BUT...small or large number of cities-I'll even cede you the point because it isnt relative...do those shootings occur because of 'gun culture' or because of poverty, hopelessness, drugs sales, territory, etc?

    Those women that re getting gunned down by their spouses or boyfriends or whatever...is that occurring because of the **** breakdown of society, or because of 'gun culture'?

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...no...actually. The vast majority of the murders committed in this country happen in a relatively small number of large cities. BUT...small or large number of cities-I'll even cede you the point because it isnt relative...do those shootings occur because of 'gun culture' or because of poverty, hopelessness, drugs sales, territory, etc?

    Those women that re getting gunned down by their spouses or boyfriends or whatever...is that occurring because of the **** breakdown of society, or because of 'gun culture'?
    Dude, let me go get a map of where people actually live. Hang on...

    PS: All the people gunned down outside of our population centers are also rotting in their graves.

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...no...actually. The vast majority of the murders committed in this country happen in a relatively small number of large cities. BUT...small or large number of cities-I'll even cede you the point because it isnt relative...do those shootings occur because of 'gun culture' or because of poverty, hopelessness, drugs sales, territory, etc?

    Those women that re getting gunned down by their spouses or boyfriends or whatever...is that occurring because of the **** breakdown of society, or because of 'gun culture'?
    here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

    now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...


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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Heck...why bother machining when polymer molds and the chemical components are pretty much as strong as aluminum. I'm running straight polymer lowers in 2 ARS and an AR pistol right now with zero problems for several years. I was skeptical at first...and Im not sure it will handle the Beowulf...but the 5.56...no problem.

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    awesome, might have to try one of those. I have about half a dozen lower parts kits, 6 CMC triggers and a few uppers lying around
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInThe View Post
    here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

    now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

    what do stupid AR bans have to do with that?
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInThe View Post
    here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

    now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

    You REALLY dont think you are going to prove my point about the numbers and the conditions of those that are involved in those murders?

    So again...

    Is it 'gun culture' or is it the ****ty nature of their existence?

    Why do you refuse to answer the basic question at hand? Why do you insist on trying to do some sort of magic hands act to draw attention away from the facts?

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Heck...why bother machining when polymer molds and the chemical components are pretty much as strong as aluminum. I'm running straight polymer lowers in 2 ARS and an AR pistol right now with zero problems for several years. I was skeptical at first...and Im not sure it will handle the Beowulf...but the 5.56...no problem.

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    Ooooh pretty colors. Lol


    If you have these then you dont need to worry about gun control.....do you? Lol

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    Re: Big headaches for the ATF and gun banning states

    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInThe View Post
    here's a really simple one but i can go get really detailed ones (they all show about the same thing).

    now, go put dots on that map of where you think the most people are gunned down and post the pic back on here. let's see if they're in places where there are lots of people (or Wyoming where the total population can't fill 8 football stadiums)...

    Here...lets break it down even more simply for you. The city of Chicago went from 378 homicides in 2015 to 536 in 2016.

    Now...considering that MOST of Chicago is actually pretty safe, AND considering that Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the state, do you attribute the gun deaths in Chicago to "Gun culture" or ****ty conditions in the places where those gun deaths occur?

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