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CA Gov Newsom signs law to mandatory background checks or gun parts

jdog21 said:
a block of metal is just a block of metal
a firearm is a block of metal precisely made so it can function as gun
a firearm precursor part is a block of metal that cant function as a gun but is getting dang close to it. But its still just a block of metal but that will now be subject to regulations.
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This is more confusing than I meant it to be, let me clarify. Someone that I responded to claimed that blocks of metal would require forms to be filled out. I meant to ask for a source that said that blocks of metal would be included.
 
mrjurrs said:
This is more confusing than I meant it to be, let me clarify. Someone that I responded to claimed that blocks of metal would require forms to be filled out. I meant to ask for a source that said that blocks of metal would be included.
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What is an "unfinished receiver" besides just a block of metal.
 
jdog21 said:
What is an "unfinished receiver" besides just a block of metal.
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It's a unfinished reciever.


What is a toaster but a block of metal?
 
vegas giants said:
An unfinished toaster then if it makes you feel better
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a square toaster shaped peace of metal with no holes for the toast to go should not be considered a toaster
 
jdog21 said:
a square toaster shaped peace of metal with no holes for the toast to go should not be considered a toaster
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I'll be happy to let a judge use the reasonable person standard to determine what is a firearm precursor part
 
jdog21 said:
Assault weapon had an actual definition to (meaning select fire rifle) but the law says and semi auto with a detached magazine and a pistol grip, so what you think the definition is doesn't matter its only what they put in the law that does.
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I believe, sir, an assault rifle is the full auto or select fire. Legally an assault weapon is anything used to assault somebody.

There us nothing in the current definition of assault rifle or weapon that is anything more than readily available bolt on parts. Not one changes the actual mechanics or function as an evil killing machine.
 
jdog21 said:
Assault weapon had an actual definition to (meaning select fire rifle) but the law says and semi auto with a detached magazine and a pistol grip, so what you think the definition is doesn't matter its only what they put in the law that does.
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I didn't base my statement on what I "think" the definition is. I based it on actually having read the definition in the law, which is all that actually matters.

In any case, as far as I know there was not an accepted definition of the term "firearm precursor part" in general use before this law was passed.
 
jimbo said:
I believe, sir, an assault rifle is the full auto or select fire. Legally an assault weapon is anything used to assault somebody.

There us nothing in the current definition of assault rifle or weapon that is anything more than readily available bolt on parts. Not one changes the actual mechanics or function as an evil killing machine.
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I know that but the law of California doesn't.
 
Fledermaus said:
Are propane, fertilizer and fuel oil subject to BGC?
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I don't believe so, but purchases of particular fertilizers are monitored. There is no law that will stop a determined lone-wolf.
 
jdog21 said:
a square toaster shaped peace of metal with no holes for the toast to go should not be considered a toaster
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It all comes down to your claim that a block of metal requires a form. Where does it say that?
 
Tlrmln said:
I didn't base my statement on what I "think" the definition is. I based it on actually having read the definition in the law, which is all that actually matters.

In any case, as far as I know there was not an accepted definition of the term "firearm precursor part" in general use before this law was passed.
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And the definition in the California law states an unfinished receiver or metal casting, which is any inert chunk of metal or paperweight. Even the ATF doesn't have a Precursor Parts list, its either it is a firearm or it is not. Under the ATF these chunks of metal are just that chunks of metal but in CA they are reclassifying them as unfinished receivers therefor need to be treated as a gun.
Then they defer to the CA DOJ
(b) The Department of Justice, consistent with this section, shall provide written guidance and pictorial diagrams demonstrating each category of firearm precursor part specified in subdivision (a).
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mrjurrs said:
It all comes down to your claim that a block of metal requires a form. Where does it say that?
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A "unfinished receiver" requires a form
Unfinished receiver = block of metal
 
jdog21 said:
And the definition in the California law states an unfinished receiver or metal casting, which is any inert chunk of metal or paperweight. Even the ATF doesn't have a Precursor Parts list, its either it is a firearm or it is not. Under the ATF these chunks of metal are just that chunks of metal but in CA they are reclassifying them as unfinished receivers therefor need to be treated as a gun.
Then they defer to the CA DOJ
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Any judge can easily use the reasonable person standard to see if this piece of metal counts as a precursor and this does not.


You can roll the dice and see if you get lucky if you want to play this game
 
jdog21 said:
And any judge is supposed to know more then the ATF?
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Any judge can have expert testimony weigh in.


And then apply the reasonable person standard.



Happens every day in court
 
vegas giants said:
Any judge can have expert testimony weigh in.


And then apply the reasonable person standard.



Happens every day in court
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The ATF doesn't think a block of metal or a peace of 2x4 is a firearm. They don't have anything called a precursor part. So what expert would they be able to call.
 
jdog21 said:
The ATF doesn't think a block of metal or a peace of 2x4 is a firearm. They don't have anything called a precursor part. So what expert would they be able to call.
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I can tell a unfinished reciever from a hunk of metal. So can any ATF agent.


If you can not....then I understand
 
vegas giants said:
I can tell a unfinished reciever from a hunk of metal. So can any ATF agent.


If you can not....then I understand
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There is no such thing as a unfinished receiver in the eyes of the ATF
 
jdog21 said:
There is no such thing as a unfinished receiver in the eyes of the ATF
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There is in my eyes and in yours and in a thousand other people they can ask
 
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