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...you're More Likely to Shoot a Loved One

Yep.. yet America has much more firearms.. and more lax gun laws than mexico.

But is safer.



Safer in what way? Based on what data? Is it all relevant to my argument? It sounds like you are attempting to change the argument.
 
Here is why your argument is stupid

That is really stupid., For legal or other reasons, private citizens have a very difficult time owning firearms in Mexico. The RATE of legal gun ownership is very low compared to the USA but the rate of violence with firearms is higher.

Talking about a right that few can exercise and then trying to compare the right in the USA where most people can exercise the right is dishonest

Bottom line

Mexico-few people can legally own guns and many guns easily owned in the USA are essentially illegal in Mexico

Mexican rates of gun violence far worse. The last time I heard of a judge being assassinated was a guy who was hit when Gabby Giffords was shot



As usual, you make claims w/o any supporting evidence. You’re too lazy to do the necessary research so I’m not going to do the work for you. Yes, I understand you do not recognize/acknowledge facts. Regardless, you’re attempting to change the argument. The low rate of gun ownership in Mexico is WORKING to keep the gun-related death rate lower than in the US.
 
Safer in what way? Based on what data? Is it all relevant to my argument? It sounds like you are attempting to change the argument.
Violent crime. We have much lower violent crime than many other nations.. or comparative violent crime even though we have way more firearms.
 
As usual, you make claims w/o any supporting evidence. You’re too lazy to do the necessary research so I’m not going to do the work for you. Yes, I understand you do not recognize/acknowledge facts. Regardless, you’re attempting to change the argument. The low rate of gun ownership in Mexico is WORKING to keep the gun-related death rate lower than in the US.

Sure..

Do you think you would be safer living in mexico than the US? Please answer.
 
Because it would deny rights to too many people who aren't using a firearm in an illegal manner.
Because it's an unworkable solution. If someone is willing to kill over what street you live on , they are not going to obey a gun ban.
Because it woild limit citizens ability to protect their family and property and put them at the mercy of government agencies that have recently shot people in their own homes for not breaking any laws.

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Have you ever explained why you want a society where honest people are at the mercy of armed criminals?
 
Sure.. because it has more guns...

The USA has too many gun deaths and wounds...because it has so many guns.

The gun control lobby's argument in a nutshell


...countries can both be very very safe...and still have firearms... like the US does. More firearms does not translate into being less safe.

More firearms = more gun deaths and injuries.

10,000 gun related homicides and 70,000+ injuries per year doesn't sound like the USA is as safe a place as you pretend it is


...its a problem.. just not with guns....

How else would you deal with the problem ?
How would you stop violent or stupid people being violent or stupid ?

Take away their guns and they're not as dangerous.


...I get that you are obsessed with firearms.. thinking they are going to jump out and shoot people out of their own accord...

No more than a car, unattended, is going to run me over


...we don't have a problem with guns....

No we have a problem with gun use

10k homicides, 70k+ injuries and mass shootings at almost one per day isn't a problem ?


...if we applied that same rational and the same statistics to say bicycles... you would understand....

I'd make them safer
Stay on topic


...first other countries.. notably japan.. have banned firearms..yet have a suicide rate higher than the US...

How many Japanese v Americans survive suicide attempts (I'd be willing to bet it's the Japanese)



...banning guns is no guarantee of preventing suicide....

If you're suicidal, and have a gun in the house, it's easier to attempt suicide and harder to survive an attempt


...other countries have much higher gun control than we do...


It's hard to think of a country with LESS gun control than the USA


...and much fewer "gun deaths"..yet have more violent crime than we do....most studies show that the UK has at more violent crime than the US....

That may be true
Are you suggesting that if violent and stupid people in the UK had guns, there would be less violent crime ?

If gang members had guns instead of knives ?


...in the US.. we had a gun ban.. we banned assault weapons and high capacity magazines for 10 years... when they studied the effect of the gun ban.. they found no statistically significant effect on violence crime or gun injury....

So bans the guns found to be responsible for gun deaths and injuries as well....then do your study



...in the US we have banned marijuana, banned cocaine and banned alcohol.. and largely have found that not only is banning not effective.. but that it also led to greater societal problems....

Are you arguing for legalizing cocaine (and for that matter meth, LSD and heroin) ?

Sounds like you accept guns are a "social problem"

But banning guns is a lot easier than banning alcohol when booze can be imported and even made in the back yard with a crude still. Try making a gun in your back yard or illegally smuggling a lump of plastic and metal into the USA


...there is simply no evidence that banning firearms in the US will have any effect other than preventing law abiding citizens from owning firearms...

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They wouldn't be "law abiding" if they refused to obey a law to hand in their guns though.

I would imagine quite a lot of people would refuse and they'd face stiff fines - fines that'd go a long way to paying for the police/ATF operation to search and seize guns.

Guns would also become more and more useless as the supply of ammunition is turned off.


...you pointed out that the US has a problem with violence because it has more gun death than other countries....

More gun deaths, not necessarily a violent country overall with so much peaceful rural/nature areas


...we have more gun death than SYRIA


Syria is a war zone - or haven't you heard ?


...you should move to SYRIA..because its safer...

Move to a war zone ?

Would you tell, if you could, the 1776 founding fathers to move to another country if they didn't like the conditions here? If not why not? Then rethink your advice for the gun control lobby to relocate.

...there is absolutely no valid evidence to suggest that banning guns will stop shooting and mass shootings in particular...


You mean evidence from English speaking, predominantly Anglo-Saxon countries like the USA that have recent experience in banning guns

Like the UK and Australia ?
 
Murdered by sharp bananas or by GUNS.

over the last 45 years, I have owned or used hundreds of guns and no one has died. It is amazing that not a single one of those firearms has ever walked out of my various storage areas and shot someone to death. I tend to be sleeping when the coyotes are at their most active state, so I was thinking if I left a 22 rifle out in the horse pasture, it might shoot the coyotes that are often there, but no such luck
 
Thank You

So much wit, you should get an agent
Why sit there in the dark handling yourself ?


...they can't be banned because here in America because we have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

Please keep up with the debate

I've always said that all gun controls are half measures until/unless the 2nd Amendment is repealed...though until then, a mandatory registration on a nation database is a good idea along with national background checks.


...I would ban smart phones, but seems like only me and Quentin Tarantino agree with doing that.;)

OK, but your task in justification will be harder.
 
Please list your 5000+ list of evasions.

Or is that a number you pulled from the same place as what passes for an argument for you ?

Any time someone claims guns are responsible for crimes
 
over the last 45 years, I have owned or used hundreds of guns and no one has died....

So what ?

That is the failed US policy of only banning guns from people who've just misused them


Do you always apply the shutting of the stable door after the horse has bolted logic ?

...or might an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ?
 
So what ?

That is the failed US policy of only banning guns from people who've just misused them


Do you always apply the shutting of the stable door after the horse has bolted logic ?

...or might an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ?

well you claim to own a gun. That speaks volumes that you believe gun ownership has some value

Your scheme would get rid of that which is valuable, while not doing any measurable thing to prevent those who wish to harm others from doing that
 
Any time someone claims guns are responsible for crimes

Do it anyway without condition, I provided my listings after all

Now let's see your list, pull it out from that proverbial place where the sun don't shine

All 5631 of them.
 
Do it anyway without condition, I provided my listings after all

Now let's see your list, pull it out from that proverbial place where the sun don't shine

All 5631 of them.

sarcasm seems to be a target you have a hard time hitting. The fact is-your argument fails for one reason.

Gun control laws are far more likely to disarm those who already obey laws than those who do not
 
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You misspelled

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You’re just upset intelligent people disagree with the stupidity of banning guns
 
Sure..

Do you think you would be safer living in mexico than the US? Please answer.



I'd be happy to once you provide data to support what you say. I don't even know what you mean by "safer", which could include auto accidents and more. If by "safer" you mean violent crime, then show the data. You expect me to give you an answer based on an unsupported claim. But, you refuse to provide supporting data to back up your claim.
 
sarcasm seems to be a target you have a hard time hitting. The fact is-your argument fails for one reason.

Gun control laws are far more likely to disarm those who already obey laws than those who do not


So you don't have a list and were lying and backed down the moment you were challenged.



Gun control will disarm everyone eventually...and weren't you one of those claiming that most people killing others with guns were gang members killing gang members anyway. So you have little to fear by your own argument (which I don't support).
 
You misspelled

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You’re just upset intelligent people disagree with the stupidity of banning guns

Nope I can spell just fine.

They're debunked EXCUSES.
 
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