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Number of people with concealed carry permits on the rise

daeler said:
A lot of people are getting them for the BGC when buying guns. Makes it go a lot quicker is what I was told at the shop.
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in Ohio it is true., where I buy they still do the BGC but when its black Friday or other busy days and NICS crashes, you can still get the firearm you are buying
 
The few times I've sold a gun to people I didn't know really well having a CCW was a requirement. One it acted as a seond form of identification and two it waa the next best thing to having a Background Check run.

I'm fine with a free UBC system to offer peace of mind to sellers, not because I think it will have any impact on gun crime.
 
I've had one for five years now. Of course there is a fee for renewal every four years.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
The number of people with concealed carry permits is going up and it will only keep going up. Just now in 2019 there are over 1.4 million more people with carry permits than there were in 2018. Here is a news article on this.
1.4 million more Americans than last year have concealed carry permits, report says | Fox News
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I got mine a couple years back because with one I get to pass on the BGC and at the time when I was buying firearms it would take anywhere between 20 minutes up to 3 weeks. I even called the FBi to see what the issue was and they basically said they were overloaded with the number of checks to be performed, got my permit less than 2 weeks later.
 
In Minnesota permits are good for 5 years and is about $75....having just moved to Alabama I was pleasantly surprised to find that as a veteran, I had to pay nothing, and it is good for a year with continual free renewal.
 
Casper said:
I got mine a couple years back because with one I get to pass on the BGC and at the time when I was buying firearms it would take anywhere between 20 minutes up to 3 weeks. I even called the FBi to see what the issue was and they basically said they were overloaded with the number of checks to be performed, got my permit less than 2 weeks later.
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I believe the law is this-if the government takes more than three days to respond, the person is deemed a PROCEED.
 
tacomancer said:
I am planning to get my CCW some time this winter.
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In Ohio, you can make an appointment in the country you reside in, or any adjacent county. For me, that means Warren, Butler, Hamilton, and Clermont County. You have to have 8 hours of training by a certified instructor (NRA, OPOTA or one other group IIRC) and pass the easy shooting test. At least where i go, you have to pay cash
 
TurtleDude said:
In Ohio, you can make an appointment in the country you reside in, or any adjacent county. For me, that means Warren, Butler, Hamilton, and Clermont County. You have to have 8 hours of training by a certified instructor (NRA, OPOTA or one other group IIRC) and pass the easy shooting test. At least where i go, you have to pay cash
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I know. For me, it would be Summit. However, I want to spend more time on the range with the gun I want to use. Its got 50 rounds in and I want at least 200 in as well. The poor thing had a rough first 40 or so.
 
1. No surprise at the increase.

2. Many Americans are beginning to realize that the country is becoming more and more violent.

3. I would hate to guess how many people will be carrying protection by the middle of this century.
 
TurtleDude said:
I believe the law is this-if the government takes more than three days to respond, the person is deemed a PROCEED.
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And the law says they can, problem is many businesses don't use that as a go-ahead to proceed with the sale. I resolved the issue entirely by getting my CCL now I walk in and pick out what I like and walk out with it right then and there.
 
TurtleDude said:
in Ohio it is true., where I buy they still do the BGC but when its black Friday or other busy days and NICS crashes, you can still get the firearm you are buying
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I bought my first unregistered pistol when I was 13 years old, the same year Charles Whitman committed mass murder in my town, killing the dad of a friend of mine among others. A background check would not have raised any red flags on that guy. He had no criminal record or blemishes in his history and yet he decided one day to commit mass murder. There was never any danger to the public from my illegal purchase of an unregistered firearm.
 
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tacomancer said:
I know. For me, it would be Summit. However, I want to spend more time on the range with the gun I want to use. Its got 50 rounds in and I want at least 200 in as well. The poor thing had a rough first 40 or so.
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what kind do you have. Some brands-like the moonie gun-Kahr-are well known as needing 3-4 hundred break in rounds. Some-like Smith Revolvers or Glocks don't. I won a G-4 Glock 19 in their league and really have no use for it, so I gave it to my son (his normal carry gun is a SIG 365). He took it to the range and fed it everything from the generic Russian TULA steel cased blaster ammo to some of the expensive SIG self defense rounds with nary a hiccup
 
Casper said:
And the law says they can, problem is many businesses don't use that as a go-ahead to proceed with the sale. I resolved the issue entirely by getting my CCL now I walk in and pick out what I like and walk out with it right then and there.
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well it does avoid the issue some shops have had-the NICS dicks around, they sell the gun and two weeks later, ATF guys show up and note the guy was a DENY but it took NICS too long to find it-so they have to go and retrieve the firearm, which cannot be resold as NEW
 
TurtleDude said:
well it does avoid the issue some shops have had-the NICS dicks around, they sell the gun and two weeks later, ATF guys show up and note the guy was a DENY but it took NICS too long to find it-so they have to go and retrieve the firearm, which cannot be resold as NEW
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Curious, do you have any data on how often that actually happens? I have never met it heard of anyone this has happened to.
 
Casper said:
Curious, do you have any data on how often that actually happens? I have never met it heard of anyone this has happened to.
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It has happened at least 2-3 times at the range I will be at in an hour. The clerks keep me well informed of things-such as ATF officers visiting them and I am aware of such scenarios happening three times. The other place I buy guns-the purchaser had a CCW permit and under Ohio law the store didn't have to do a BGC. sure enough, a few weeks later, the ATF showed up and said the guy had an 18 USC 922 disqualifying feature. Yep, before he got the CCW. I think it was something rarer than a felony, like a Dishonorable Discharge or maybe a mental commitment (which are not often sent to NICS in Ohio). That store now does BGCs even if you have a CCW and are people like me (who the owners know well-my wife went to HS with both of them, and they know I am a retired FLEO)
 
TurtleDude said:
what kind do you have. Some brands-like the moonie gun-Kahr-are well known as needing 3-4 hundred break in rounds. Some-like Smith Revolvers or Glocks don't. I won a G-4 Glock 19 in their league and really have no use for it, so I gave it to my son (his normal carry gun is a SIG 365). He took it to the range and fed it everything from the generic Russian TULA steel cased blaster ammo to some of the expensive SIG self defense rounds with nary a hiccup
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bersa thunder 380

Its a decent gun, but there tend to be known problems with it during the break in period. Usually after that, they're fine. Usually the break in issues can be bypassed by lessening the tension on the mag spring (but only on the first mag, not sure why there), but its an excuse to work on my aim.

I would get my ccw faster, but I am focused on paying off my house, so I have my monthly fun budget and christmas comes first.
 
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tacomancer said:
bersa thunder 380

Its a decent gun, but there tend to be known problems with it during the break in period. Usually after that, they're fine. Usually the break in issues can be bypassed by lessening the tension on the mag spring (but only on the first mag, not sure why there), but its an excuse to work on my aim.

I would get my ccw faster, but I am focused on paying off my house, so I have my monthly fun budget and christmas comes first.
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Bersa is not a brand I owned, but a good friend used to work the late shift at a TGIF and I got her a Bersa because she liked the one that the range had for rental. It worked fine.
 
TurtleDude said:
Bersa is not a brand I owned, but a good friend used to work the late shift at a TGIF and I got her a Bersa because she liked the one that the range had for rental. It worked fine.
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Its a good gun, basically a walther ppk with minor upgrades.

I was close to getting a sig p238, but I just like the feel of the bersa better. Ultimately, the best gun is the one you use (as long as its not a Hi-Point)
 
tacomancer said:
Its a good gun, basically a walther ppk with minor upgrades.

I was close to getting a sig p238, but I just like the feel of the bersa better. Ultimately, the best gun is the one you use (as long as its not a Hi-Point)
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I have heard the Hi-point carbines actually work pretty well. The pistols have the ergonomics of a frying pan-the pan's metal is much much better
 
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