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    Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    I would have bet you as soon as Trump started to talk about changing to tougher background checks that he was only speaking out of one side of his mouth and he would cave as soon as the NRA told him no. That is right, the NRA tells our great president what he can and can not do when it comes to any gun control measures. Trump is gutless for sure.

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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I would have bet you as soon as Trump started to talk about changing to tougher background checks that he was only speaking out of one side of his mouth and he would cave as soon as the NRA told him no. That is right, the NRA tells our great president what he can and can not do when it comes to any gun control measures. Trump is gutless for sure.
    In reality it is the courts and the constitution. Federal power is not sufficient to demand private sales background checks
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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I would have bet you as soon as Trump started to talk about changing to tougher background checks that he was only speaking out of one side of his mouth and he would cave as soon as the NRA told him no. That is right, the NRA tells our great president what he can and can not do when it comes to any gun control measures. Trump is gutless for sure.
    "Chickens out" of what? A panicked acceptance of the loony left's non-solution for mass shootings?
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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I would have bet you as soon as Trump started to talk about changing to tougher background checks that he was only speaking out of one side of his mouth and he would cave as soon as the NRA told him no. That is right, the NRA tells our great president what he can and can not do when it comes to any gun control measures. Trump is gutless for sure.
    I don't know about the NRA. I do know I don't support tougher regulations in any case.

    I don't like the current background check requirements. For one thing, I believe that once a person has done their time and completed all obligations of punishment, all rights should be returned including the right to self-defense. For another I don't believe it is anything but an actual record which is being maintained despite all claims otherwise, IMO a pseudo-registration.

    I am not an advocate of allowing access to all forms of weaponry. I am on record as arguing the 2nd Amendment does not apply to area effect weapons (like flamethrowers, NukeBioChem), munitions (grenades/rockets/demolitions), crew-served weapons, weapons platforms (tanks, battleships, fighter jets). I think they are reasonably limited to the basic arms and armaments a common infantryman would be kitted with for everyday service.

    Every time I hear about "reasonable" controls I see how they don't seem to work, thus leading to MORE "reasonable" increases in controls. Right up until the ultimate control is licensed ownership of fluff like those German "starter pistols" I've heard something about, all bark and no bite.
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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I don't know about the NRA. I do know I don't support tougher regulations in any case.

    I don't like the current background check requirements. For one thing, I believe that once a person has done their time and completed all obligations of punishment, all rights should be returned including the right to self-defense.

    I am not an advocate of allowing access to all forms of weaponry. I am on record as arguing the 2nd Amendment does not apply to area effect weapons (like flamethrowers, NukeBioChem), munitions (grenades/rockets/demolitions), crew-served weapons, weapons platforms (tanks, battleships, fighter jets). I think they are reasonably limited to the basic arms and armaments a common infantryman would be kitted with for everyday service.

    Every time I hear about "reasonable" controls I see how they don't seem to work, thus leading to MORE "reasonable" increases in controls. Right up until the ultimate control is licensed ownership of fluff like those German "starter pistols," all bark and no bite.
    "reasonable gun controls".....turning a right into a government granted privilege.

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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I don't know about the NRA. I do know I don't support tougher regulations in any case.

    I don't like the current background check requirements. For one thing, I believe that once a person has done their time and completed all obligations of punishment, all rights should be returned including the right to self-defense. For another I don't believe it is anything but an actual record which is being maintained despite all claims otherwise, IMO a pseudo-registration.

    I am not an advocate of allowing access to all forms of weaponry. I am on record as arguing the 2nd Amendment does not apply to area effect weapons (like flamethrowers, NukeBioChem), munitions (grenades/rockets/demolitions), crew-served weapons, weapons platforms (tanks, battleships, fighter jets). I think they are reasonably limited to the basic arms and armaments a common infantryman would be kitted with for everyday service.

    Every time I hear about "reasonable" controls I see how they don't seem to work, thus leading to MORE "reasonable" increases in controls. Right up until the ultimate control is licensed ownership of fluff like those German "starter pistols" I've heard something about, all bark and no bite.
    this is exactly the same positions I accept.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I would have bet you as soon as Trump started to talk about changing to tougher background checks that he was only speaking out of one side of his mouth and he would cave as soon as the NRA told him no. That is right, the NRA tells our great president what he can and can not do when it comes to any gun control measures. Trump is gutless for sure.
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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I don't know about the NRA. I do know I don't support tougher regulations in any case.

    I don't like the current background check requirements. For one thing, I believe that once a person has done their time and completed all obligations of punishment, all rights should be returned including the right to self-defense. For another I don't believe it is anything but an actual record which is being maintained despite all claims otherwise, IMO a pseudo-registration.

    I am not an advocate of allowing access to all forms of weaponry. I am on record as arguing the 2nd Amendment does not apply to area effect weapons (like flamethrowers, NukeBioChem), munitions (grenades/rockets/demolitions), crew-served weapons, weapons platforms (tanks, battleships, fighter jets). I think they are reasonably limited to the basic arms and armaments a common infantryman would be kitted with for everyday service.

    Every time I hear about "reasonable" controls I see how they don't seem to work, thus leading to MORE "reasonable" increases in controls. Right up until the ultimate control is licensed ownership of fluff like those German "starter pistols" I've heard something about, all bark and no bite.
    Right, and I guess you are okay with the thousands that die from guns. And do not tell me that it is people, without military style weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds a minute and being able accept hundred round magazines, there would not be the kinds of killing going on in America today. There is an old saying, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Right, and I guess you are okay with the thousands that die from guns. And do not tell me that it is people, without military style weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds a minute and being able accept hundred round magazines, there would not be the kinds of killing going on in America today. There is an old saying, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
    nothing a private citizen can buy, that was made after May 19,1986, is capable of firing hundreds of rounds in a minute. Do you think constantly posting stuff that is complete and utter dishonest BS helps your anti gun arguments?
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Once again Trump talks of gun control and then chickens out due to NRA!

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Right, and I guess you are okay with the thousands that die from guns. And do not tell me that it is people, without military style weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds a minute and being able accept hundred round magazines, there would not be the kinds of killing going on in America today. There is an old saying, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
    A gun's rate of fire has nothing to do with its "style," and plenty of mass murders have been committed without AR15s. Can't you be even a little bit honest?

    We're no more okay with thousands dying from gunshot wounds than you are with thousands being killed by drunk and leadfoot drivers. In what way are you part of the solution to that (or are you part of the problem)?

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