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The difference between the UK and the US when it comes to the availability of guns

Manc Skipper said:
There's orders of magnitude difference in the danger we are exposed to. The odds of you being involved in a gun assault are 1 in 340. For me? Vanishingly small.
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1 in 340 is a vanishingly small chance.
 
It is clear that in the American Revolutionary War, the Democratic Party and most Democrats would have sided with the British because they love British restrictions on civil, individual and human rights.

Most Democrats love that free speech is illegal in the UK, particularly religious speech. Publicly talking about religion in the UK, even quoting the Bible, can get you arrested and imprisoned. THIS is what the Democratic party wants.

Most Democrats love the UK over the USA because the UK can ban any organization, any political party, and ban and protest or public gathering.

Of course, in the UK you have no right to self defense but instead have a legal obligation to allow yourself to be raped, assaulted and murdered. Nor is it just about guns. You can be arrested for having a spoon, screwdriver, broom or baseball bat - accused of having a terrorist weapon and other weapons charges.

The UK also has no freedom of the press. In addition, if any negative statement is made about anyone, under UK laws you have to prove what you said is true, not that the other person has to prove it is false. The UK government also can search anyone's home and papers without any need for a probably cause warrant.

In addition, if you are suspected of being a terrorist, you are presumed guilty unless you can prove you are innocent. You also do not have the right to remain silent. Refusal to talk or testify at a criminal trial as a defendant allows your refusal to be held against you in court.

There is no birth right citizenship in the UK - but because of the police state nature of the UK this is an acceptable evil to most Democrats, plus their's is fake ranting anyway.


A comparison of American and English Civil Liberties – Preston Byrne
 
TurtleDude said:
The constant litany of lies from the "make criminals lives safer" lobby is hilarious. The claim that the laws allow crazies to be armed is as stupid as saying the first amendment allows kiddie porn
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And still, crazies can still walk into a local store and come out with a semi automatic or even parts that convert single fire into semi auto weapons.

VanceMack said:
:lamo

That rag has been the founding document of a country that has saved pathetic whiny kneeling ****s from across the planet.

You are dismissed.
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Yeah and you enslaved millions of your minorities as chattel under that same rag, you denied minorities equal rights until forced by civil rights activism - and even then you didn't do it properly just as the first time after the Civil War when you betrayed your own citizens in the South. You also had your own colonies and are no better than anyone else that you think you are, never mind the horrors you inflicted in Africa under the auspices of the Cold War.
 
Manc Skipper said:
There's orders of magnitude difference in the danger we are exposed to. The odds of you being involved in a gun assault are 1 in 340. For me? Vanishingly small.
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In my community, it's higher than that an everyone owns a gun.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
And still, crazies can still walk into a local store and come out with a semi automatic or even parts that convert single fire into semi auto weapons.



Yeah and you enslaved millions of your minorities as chattel under that same rag, you denied minorities equal rights until forced by civil rights activism - and even then you didn't do it properly just as the first time after the Civil War when you betrayed your own citizens in the South. You also had your own colonies and are no better than anyone else that you think you are, never mind the horrors you inflicted in Africa under the auspices of the Cold War.
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Yeah, they don't work like that...lol

Yeah and you enslaved millions of your minorities...
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What country are you from?
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
One where answering questions honestly and at first time of asking is common. Shame you've never been here.
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Are you from England, where slavery was legal? Or Canada, where slavery was legal?
 
apdst said:
Are you from England, where slavery was legal? Or Canada, where slavery was legal?
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I'm from Africa where African-American slaves and British and West Indian slaves came from.
Right now, I live in the UK where slavery was abolished in 1834 - 50 years before the US. The UK didn't need a civil rights movement to force you to behave according to your own constitution.

See? No dodge, no avoiding the question.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'm from Africa where African-American slaves and British and West Indian slaves came from.
Right now, I live in the UK where slavery was abolished in 1834 - 50 years before the US. The UK didn't need a civil rights movement to force you to behave according to your own constitution.

See? No dodge, no avoiding the question.
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You mean the same Africa that sold the slaves to the Westerners? The one that still sells slave to Middle Eastern countries?...lol!

Slavery in contemporary Africa - Wikipedia

The same Africa that gave us the RUF, Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe? :lamo

You got a long way to go before you can bash The United States.
 
apdst said:
You mean the same Africa that sold the slaves to the Westerners? The one that still sells slave to Middle Eastern countries?...lol!

Slavery in contemporary Africa - Wikipedia

The same Africa that gave us the RUF, Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe? :lamo

You got a long way to go before you can bash The United States.
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Would you be posting from a major user of modern slaves? Why are you diverting from America's ongoing gun holocaust?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Would you be posting from a major user of modern slaves? Why are you diverting from America's ongoing gun holocaust?
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Holocaust? Your country's violent crime rate is going UP. Ours has gone DOWN...by half!...lol.

In your super safe, up-scale neighborhood, I guess you don't notice what a toilet your country is turning into.
 
apdst said:
Holocaust? Your country's violent crime rate is going UP. Ours has gone DOWN...by half!...lol.

In your super safe, up-scale neighborhood, I guess you don't notice what a toilet your country is turning into.
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13000 Americans shot every year and more people shot in the states with more guns. There's a clue there.
 
apdst said:
Holocaust? Your country's violent crime rate is going UP. Ours has gone DOWN...by half!...lol.

In your super safe, up-scale neighborhood, I guess you don't notice what a toilet your country is turning into.
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Our crime rate is way way higher than theirs
 
Eriech said:
The link I provided is from the Sac Bee listing all of Gavin Newsom's pardons recently of people who in their youth obtained and did more than think about using guns. Not sure why it reads "access denied". The link works.....



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Well, perhaps you could have done a small copy and paste job. Still not sure why you posted it.
 
Eriech said:
Facts rarely get in the way of a story in the MSM


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The reality is they're much more honest than the vast majority of posters on forums like this.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont feel much of a need to provide anything to a bunch of impotent kneeling subjects. Why exactly do you think I should give the first **** about your opinions? You people are so ****ed your citizens are being arrested for making jokes that others might find offensive. You think I give a **** about you after what you people have done to yourselves? Lets hope you lot dont end up in another war because frankly...you have demonstrated you arent worth saving...again.
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Give it up. You're not your grandfathers. The American hegemony, inherited instead of earned, has lasted a couple generations and has devolved into a nation of spoiled brats squandering their inheritance. It's amazing how fast it's happened. Your power and influence has shrunken just in my lifetime to the point where you're unable to defend yourself from fanatical third-world cranks armed with box cutters and your President negotiates with pissant dictators your grandfathers wouldn't piss on if they were burning.
Save yourselves if you can figure out how. Soon the only decision left for you will be a choice between a long, slow whimper or a quick, loud bang.


Edit- This is fun. C'mon, bring on more.
 
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Grand Mal said:
Give it up. You're not your grandfathers. The American hegemony, inherited instead of earned, has lasted a couple generations and has devolved into a nation of spoiled brats squandering their inheritance. It's amazing how fast it's happened. Your power and influence has shrunken just in my lifetime to the point where you're unable to defend yourself from fanatical third-world cranks armed with box cutters and your President negotiates with pissant dictators your grandfathers wouldn't piss on if they were burning.
Save yourselves if you can figure out how. Soon the only decision left for you will be a choice between a long, slow whimper or a quick, loud bang.


Edit- This is fun. C'mon, bring on more.
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I am pretty invested in working to 'save ourselves'. To me that really comes down to self...family...community......and the rest of the world can go to hell. Thats not a curse...as in the should go to hell. But since they are rushing headlong, who am I to stand in their way.
 
VanceMack said:
I am pretty invested in working to 'save ourselves'. To me that really comes down to self...family...community......and the rest of the world can go to hell. Thats not a curse...as in the should go to hell. But since they are rushing headlong, who am I to stand in their way.
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Rushing headlong to hell? Damn. You sound like that aunt who all us kids were terrified of. Is there a handbasket involved?
 
Grand Mal said:
Rushing headlong to hell? Damn. You sound like that aunt who all us kids were terrified of. Is there a handbasket involved?
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I reckon yours is on your pushbike.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont feel much of a need to provide anything to a bunch of impotent kneeling subjects. Why exactly do you think I should give the first **** about your opinions? You people are so ****ed your citizens are being arrested for making jokes that others might find offensive. You think I give a **** about you after what you people have done to yourselves? Lets hope you lot dont end up in another war because frankly...you have demonstrated you arent worth saving...again.
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Speaking of Not worth saving. The US has long had a rapey reputation, but i just got confirmed. Tell us again what a civil gun toting society you have there.

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Manc Skipper said:
Speaking of Not worth saving. The US has long had a rapey reputation, but i just got confirmed. Tell us again what a civil gun toting society you have there.

EEoDHFZXUAI5d4o
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England/Wales rape rate (or attempted) is about 85,000/year (w/another 40K sexual assaults), about the same as ours (1/3rd Sweden’s), but more of theirs are at knifepoint, and they don’t include Scotland or North Ireland (which appears closer to Sweden's rates and puts their rates well over ours).



U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'm from Africa where African-American slaves and British and West Indian slaves came from.
Right now, I live in the UK where slavery was abolished in 1834 - 50 years before the US. The UK didn't need a civil rights movement to force you to behave according to your own constitution.

See? No dodge, no avoiding the question.
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You do know it was Africans who captured and sold Africans as slaves? And they still do to this day.

The UK absolutely had a civil rights movement. You might want to study more.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Speaking of Not worth saving. The US has long had a rapey reputation, but i just got confirmed. Tell us again what a civil gun toting society you have there.

EEoDHFZXUAI5d4o
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Sounds like a good argument for more women to carry a gun.

Why does the U.K. hate women and support rape?
 
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