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The difference between the UK and the US when it comes to the availability of guns

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Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot

"Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot"

"A Gloucester teenager who planned a mass shooting has been jailed for 16 years.

Kyle Davies tried to buy a handgun and ammunition for £1,000 from a dealer on the dark web, and planned a “shooting event” according to police."

In the US, chances are this kid would have been able to get his hands on a gun.

In the UK he struggled, having to go to the dark web to get it, exposing himself, and having to fork out a lot of money to do so.


Probably why the UK hasn't has a high school massacre shooting since Dunblaine in 1996.
 
Yeah, you never should trust the dark web for such things. That, or he didn't follow all of the precautions which everyone who uses the dark wed, say you should.

Given his age, along with where he lived here in the states. He'd still have to resort to purchasing the gun illegally, and that would still allow for him to get caught.

Besides the only thing that would be normal of all of this, is him targeting a school. Gun free zones are usually the most prominent to be attacked in such instances.
 
Oborosen said:
Yeah, you never should trust the dark web for such things. That, or he didn't follow all of the precautions which everyone who uses the dark wed, say you should.

Given his age, along with where he lived here in the states. He'd still have to resort to purchasing the gun illegally, and that would still allow for him to get caught.

Besides the only thing that would be normal of all of this, is him targeting a school. Gun free zones are usually the most prominent to be attacked in such instances.
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Sure, it would still mean he could get caught. Chances of getting caught in the UK is much, much higher.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Sure, it would still mean he could get caught. Chances of getting caught in the UK is much, much higher.
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It would still prove more that we need to enforce gun laws more, not simply create new, unnecessary ones.
 
Oborosen said:
It would still prove more that we need to enforce gun laws more, not simply create new, unnecessary ones.
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Well, the issue here seems to be about availability of guns, rather than anything else.

Do the gun laws in place that aren't being enforced actually deal with the availability of guns? Doesn't seem so.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot

"Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot"

"A Gloucester teenager who planned a mass shooting has been jailed for 16 years.

Kyle Davies tried to buy a handgun and ammunition for £1,000 from a dealer on the dark web, and planned a “shooting event” according to police."

In the US, chances are this kid would have been able to get his hands on a gun.

In the UK he struggled, having to go to the dark web to get it, exposing himself, and having to fork out a lot of money to do so.


Probably why the UK hasn't has a high school massacre shooting since Dunblaine in 1996.
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No in the UK shootings aren't their thing. They're really big on the bombings, stabbings, and vehicular assaults.
 
Oborosen said:
It would still prove more that we need to enforce gun laws more, not simply create new, unnecessary ones.
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Well, the issue here seems to be about availability of guns, rather than anything else.

Do the gun laws in place that aren't being enforced actually deal with the availability of guns? Doesn't seem so.
 
DebateChallenge said:
No in the UK shootings aren't their thing. They're really big on the bombings, stabbings, and vehicular assaults.
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Just wondering what this has to do with this topic.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Well, the issue here seems to be about availability of guns, rather than anything else.

Do the gun laws in place that aren't being enforced actually deal with the availability of guns? Doesn't seem so.
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The availability of legal guns, yes. We have plenty of laws that range from the handling of handguns, all the way to handling individual parts for guns that you would even need a class 3 license for.

Illegal weapons on the other hand, by their definition alone are not legal to obtain, or sell, and even modifying your legal firearm can possibly make it an illegal one in turn.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Well, the issue here seems to be about availability of guns, rather than anything else.

Do the gun laws in place that aren't being enforced actually deal with the availability of guns? Doesn't seem so.
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There is nothing wrong with guns being readily available to those who use them properly.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Just wondering what this has to do with this topic.
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This is what it has to do with the topic, just because theres less guns doesn't mean theres less killings. Instead of trying to get a gun, he could've just waited for school to get out and then ran over students as they left the building.
 
In the UK, if you own guns, they must be registered and secured. An inspector comes to your house for an annual visit to make sure you are following the rules.

I don't think that would go over well in America.
 
Oborosen said:
The availability of legal guns, yes. We have plenty of laws that range from the handling of handguns, all the way to handling individual parts for guns that you would even need a class 3 license for.

Illegal weapons on the other hand, by their definition alone are not legal to obtain, or sell, and even modifying your legal firearm can possibly make it an illegal one in turn.
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Well, seems like the only thing to do is to talk, and to then do nothing because you've explained that something is illegal, therefore nothing needs to be done, and if 100 kids die in a year because of such laziness, well, they deserved it, didn't they?
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot

"Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot"

"A Gloucester teenager who planned a mass shooting has been jailed for 16 years.

Kyle Davies tried to buy a handgun and ammunition for £1,000 from a dealer on the dark web, and planned a “shooting event” according to police."

In the US, chances are this kid would have been able to get his hands on a gun.

In the UK he struggled, having to go to the dark web to get it, exposing himself, and having to fork out a lot of money to do so.


Probably why the UK hasn't has a high school massacre shooting since Dunblaine in 1996.
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In the US teens cannot legally buy firearms. Seems you did not get your facts in order before posting, oops.
 
DebateChallenge said:
There is nothing wrong with guns being readily available to those who use them properly.
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There's nothing wrong with guns in the hands of 47 year old white men with no hands......

Sure, if you keep making the debate about a reduced number of people.... problem is, the US isn't such a place. It's a place with lots of people.

So perhaps we should get back to the debate where all these people live in the US, hey?
 
Casper said:
In the US teens cannot legally buy firearms. Seems you did not get your facts in order before posting, oops.
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I wasn't talking about buying them legally. I was talking about EASY ACCESS to guns.

How many of these high school shootings have happened with the perpetrator getting the guns legally?

There's still a problem. Hence the point of the post.
 
swing_voter said:
In the UK, if you own guns, they must be registered and secured. An inspector comes to your house for an annual visit to make sure you are following the rules.

I don't think that would go over well in America.
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Sure, people value their guns a little more than they value their kids in the US.
 
DebateChallenge said:
No in the UK shootings aren't their thing. They're really big on the bombings, stabbings, and vehicular assaults.
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Are they used as weapons to kill small children?
 
DebateChallenge said:
No in the UK shootings aren't their thing. They're really big on the bombings, stabbings, and vehicular assaults.
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All of which have a dramatically lower death count, even adjusted per capita than the US. Comparing a few hundred other murders to tens of thousands of gun murders is ridiculous.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
I wasn't talking about buying them legally. I was talking about EASY ACCESS to guns.

How many of these high school shootings have happened with the perpetrator getting the guns legally?

There's still a problem. Hence the point of the post.
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So your solution is to remove all firearms by going house to house to remove them, hmmm, once again not well thought out. What you seem to forget is that the difference between the UK and US is that the UK has never had a high number of privately owned firearms and US has a long history of private firearms ownership. You are trying to compare apples and oranges, which always ends in failure.
 
Casper said:
So your solution is to remove all firearms by going house to house to remove them, hmmm, once again not well thought out. What you seem to forget is that the difference between the UK and US is that the UK has never had a high number of privately owned firearms and US has a long history of private firearms ownership. You are trying to compare apples and oranges, which always ends in failure.
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I didn't present a solution here.

So, no, your whole post is based on you thinking you know what I think.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot

"Gloucester teen who idolised Columbine killers jailed over mass shooting plot"

"A Gloucester teenager who planned a mass shooting has been jailed for 16 years.

Kyle Davies tried to buy a handgun and ammunition for £1,000 from a dealer on the dark web, and planned a “shooting event” according to police."

In the US, chances are this kid would have been able to get his hands on a gun.

In the UK he struggled, having to go to the dark web to get it, exposing himself, and having to fork out a lot of money to do so.


Probably why the UK hasn't has a high school massacre shooting since Dunblaine in 1996.
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I do feel the UK style laws would probably not fly in America. I support reasonable gun control but outright bans would not really work at this point when we already have 300 million guns.


But we can do a lot better
 
vegas giants said:
I do feel the UK style laws would probably not fly in America. I support reasonable gun control but outright bans would not really work at this point when we already have 300 million guns.


But we can do a lot better
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Well, the issue is that really, with the partisan system in place right now, nothing would work. School shooting after school shooting and it's like water off a duck's back.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Well, the issue is that really, with the partisan system in place right now, nothing would work. School shooting after school shooting and it's like water off a duck's back.
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America has a high tolerance for blood...that is true.

But change is inevitable
 
Hondo said:
An Australian pointed out that Australia and the UK have a bit of a buffer against illegal gun imports as island nations. If guns were illegal in the US, they'd just flow internally since we have 360 million or come across the borders. Gangs were getting MAC10's through Mexico.
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Guns mostly flow from the US TOWARD mexico....not the other way around
 
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