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Guns are an Acceptable Risk to Be American

uptower said:
Yes guns are an acceptable risk in any society that allows them. Loosely regulated saturation of guns however is not an acceptable risk, as countries with tighter gun enforcement have demonstrated through less gun crime and fewer mass shootings.
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Like Mexico and Russia and South Africa?
 
Irredentist said:
That must be why America has such a lower murder rate than the rest of the western world. Oh wait it's actually much higher. Oops.
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if you factor out a few democrat party run areas, such as LA County, Baltimore, Chicago, our murder rate and actual number of murders is very low

US murders concentrated in 5 percent of counties | Fox News

on top of that

While many factors explain these concentrated murders, it is also striking that the counties with zero murders are the counties with by far the highest gun ownership rates,” Lott said.
 
VySky said:
This country of ours would not be so popular for the absorbing masses if it were not for the American gun

The 2nd Amendment ensures we can keep and hold the 1st Amendment

-VySky
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The problem is many Americans substitute their gun for actually using their brain.

If you actually voted properly, then you might not actually have to worry about the people you elect trying to mess you over all the time.
 
TurtleDude said:
if you factor out a few democrat party run areas, such as LA County, Baltimore, Chicago, our murder rate and actual number of murders is very low

US murders concentrated in 5 percent of counties | Fox News

on top of that

While many factors explain these concentrated murders, it is also striking that the counties with zero murders are the counties with by far the highest gun ownership rates,” Lott said.
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Democrats like to claim that the "Bad Guys" from their heavily gun controlled areas go to Republican lesser gun controlled areas to buy or get their guns.

Assuming this is true, Why are the "Bad Guys" not committing the murder and other crimes in the Republican areas?
 
Frigidweirdo said:
The problem is many Americans substitute their gun for actually using their brain.

If you actually voted properly, then you might not actually have to worry about the people you elect trying to mess you over all the time.
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Yawn, its amusing watching foreigners here whining about our rights. Americans with guns are a major reason why those foreigners aren't speaking German
 
Casca XV said:
Democrats like to claim that the "Bad Guys" from their heavily gun controlled areas go to Republican lesser gun controlled areas to buy or get their guns.

Assuming this is true, Why are the "Bad Guys" not committing the murder and other crimes in the Republican areas?
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we used to hear all the time that the gangbangers in DC bought their guns (illegally of course) in Va. Yet those areas of Va, where firearms could be bought fairly easily and LEGALLY, were far far less crime ridden than DC. Same with the areas around Chicago or the areas just outside of Maryland near Baltimore
 
CLAX1911 said:
I would say, guns aren't a risk murder and assault is. Murder and assault is a total intrinsic to people. Being able to be armed to the same level as potential attackers evens the playing field to a degree.
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Buy more guns and ammo! It will stop the mass shootings!
 
Casca XV said:
Democrats like to claim that the "Bad Guys" from their heavily gun controlled areas go to Republican lesser gun controlled areas to buy or get their guns.

Assuming this is true, Why are the "Bad Guys" not committing the murder and other crimes in the Republican areas?
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They are. No part of this country is immune to gun violence.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Buy more guns and ammo! It will stop the mass shootings!
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Left-wingers often see gun ownership as bad-and fail or refuse to understand the following

1) firearms possessed by violent felons or the criminally insane, are used to harm society and increase violence

2) firearms possessed and carried by lawful folks are used to prevent or stop far more violent crime than they are used to cause crime. So those of us who support more honest folk being well armed (and skilled) do see more guns in the hands of good people as a positive.

Since most avid anti gun activists are motivated by politics, and see avid gun advocates and gun organizations as the political enemy, they mainly attack lawful gun ownership while pretending it is criminals they are trying to harass.
 
VySky said:
For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites. The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

Our inner cities answer the equation

-VySky
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VySky said:
Why do you care if homies and blacks are exterminating each other? It's a free country you know

-VySky
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Repulsive.

I love how some people just carried on posting as if that didn't just happen :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
we used to hear all the time that the gangbangers in DC bought their guns (illegally of course) in Va. Yet those areas of Va, where firearms could be bought fairly easily and LEGALLY, were far far less crime ridden than DC. Same with the areas around Chicago or the areas just outside of Maryland near Baltimore
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In a previous career I was in Corrections. I was hired as an officer and then I rose through the ranks to Case Manager and Classifications. Classifications was researching and interviewing incoming inmates to determine which level of security they needed and any other programs or special needs.

Part of the required questioning came down to: “what type of potential victim would you avoid?” Almost 100% of the time they answered to me and other Classification Officers “someone well-armed with a gun.” There were actual inter-departmental stats posted on this.

I believe this is the reason that in areas where there are no laws restricting firearm ownership of law-abiding citizens, they have lower crime rates.

The CDC study during the Obama years seems to show the same thing.

Sorry, Leftists! CDC's New Report Suggests Guns are Great for Self Defense... >> Louder With Crowder
 
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Serenity said:
Repulsive.

I love how some people just carried on posting as if that didn't just happen :roll:
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There are lots of GOP Genetic Codes for single-issue voters.

JAGGGED — Judges, Abortion, Guns, God, Gays, Environmental Destruction

MAGA — Mothers Against Gun Atrocities
 
uptower said:
Yes guns are an acceptable risk in any society that allows them. Loosely regulated saturation of guns however is not an acceptable risk, as countries with tighter gun enforcement have demonstrated through less gun crime and fewer mass shootings.
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There are plenty of countries with strict gun laws that have far higher murder rates than the US.

And there are plenty of states within the US that don't have strict gun laws, that have lower murder rates than many of those that do.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Meh. Pretty sad if you need a gun to make you feel American.
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Well it's what started the whole American thing to begin with(Shot heard around the world)
 
VySky said:
This country of ours would not be so popular for the absorbing masses if it were not for the American gun

The 2nd Amendment ensures we can keep and hold the 1st Amendment

-VySky
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Yes guns most definitely are an acceptable risk, for me, to be an American.

Although its not all that big a risk, from my own experience. There are much bigger risks we take all the time.
 
TurtleDude said:
Like Mexico and Russia and South Africa?
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Does Mexico actually have tight enforcement on guns? Note I did not choose the words law or regulation, but the state's willingness to ensure these are followed. Countries that have "well regulated" arms have fewer gun deaths and mass shootings.
 
uptower said:
Does Mexico actually have tight enforcement on guns? Note I did not choose the words law or regulation, but the state's willingness to ensure these are followed. Countries that have "well regulated" arms have fewer gun deaths and mass shootings.
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They might have fewer gun deaths and mass shootings, but that does not mean they have fewer killings by a long shot.
 
uptower said:
Does Mexico actually have tight enforcement on guns? Note I did not choose the words law or regulation, but the state's willingness to ensure these are followed. Countries that have "well regulated" arms have fewer gun deaths and mass shootings.
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I don't see the connection. How does telling people they can't possess a fire arm equate to fewer people dying? They could just possess it anyway. You're not allowed to possess any contraband but yet law enforcement deals with contraband constantly.

Why would the law restricting something magically work if that something was guns if it doesn't work for anything else.

You can talk about other countries all you want with it doesn't make much of a point because of this country is not other countries.
 
DebateChallenge said:
They might have fewer gun deaths and mass shootings, but that does not mean they have fewer killings by a long shot.
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people always talk about other countries as if they're some sort of allegory for the US. The US has a different culture then these other countries. and if our government says that we have to jump through all these hoops to own guns we're going to say up yours. The difference is we can. There are too many people to register and that being said people wouldn't. And if such a law went into effect I mentioned you would have a good number of people saying that if you wanted their guns to come and take them.

They could use the military but that would in effect be the end of the country.

So it's almost like mutually assured destruction. You take our guns the country ends. It's almost like it was designed that way.
 
Serenity said:
Repulsive.

I love how some people just carried on posting as if that didn't just happen :roll:
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My answer above was in response to a direct question to me within the thread. If someone doesn't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question

-VySky
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't see the connection. How does telling people they can't possess a fire arm equate to fewer people dying?
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And I don't see the connection between regulating and banning. I won't entertain the straw man argument about "gun grabbers". I'm not suggesting total bans, but better laws and enforcement would see fewer weapons in circulation. Countries that have successfully implemented this have fewer gun crimes and mass shootings (talking developed western democracies here). Yes guns are an acceptable risk, but don;t have to be quite so much the risk part.
 
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