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145 CEOs implore Senate to "take action" on gun legislation

Rogue Valley said:
I don't think there exists one monster panacea solution. But as the CEO's stated, doing nothing at all is no longer a sensible and viable option.
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Doing useless stuff that infringes in the rights AND SAFETY of law abiding citizens doesn’t help either.

Some of us take the right to an adequate self defense while in public quite seriously and we take threats to limit that right to something less adequate than what the cops find reasonable to be establishing a wholly unacceptable double standard.

Once we start treating the state with one set of rules and the people with another set of rules we have taken another large step along the road away from being a Constitutional Republic.
 
beancounter said:
And it's disingenuous to claim that laws must be 100% effective to be valid...
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100% effective? How about 0%? If a loon or criminal wants a gun to go along with his meth or coke he'll find another criminal to sell him one, or he'll just "borrow" mom's. What is disingenuous is to claim that this "loophole" would actually be closed by any law. But then that isn't the real goal, is it?

Connecticut Shooter Adam Lanza: His Mother's Guns? - ABC News
 
Lets DO SOMETHING about gun violence. Lets impose mandatory minimum sentences for violent offenders that use weapons in the commission of violent crimes. 30-40 years plus the time for the crime. Use the RICO statutes if there is gang involvement and put the gang leaders in the federal system...worked for the Mafia. Charge as accessories the people that knowingly provide criminals firearms. That will attack the VAST MAJORITY of the 10,000 murders by use of firearms annually.
 
beancounter said:
DUI laws.
Differs by state, but most are pretty tough.


And it's disingenuous to claim that laws must be 100% effective to be valid...
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DUI laws impose stiff sentences for committing the crime. I agree...start there. mandatory minimum sentences for people that commit violent crimes. May or may not have a deterrent effect but it WILL keep people in prison for 30-40 years minimum for committing violent criminal acts with a weapon.
 
Tlrmln said:
What a farce.

Dems are criticizing the Senate for not having a useless show vote, when 2.5 years after gaining control of the House, they still have not even voted on their own precious AWB, or even their somewhat less precious "High Capacity Magazine" ban.
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The Dems have had two gun reform bills on McConnell's desk since February.

Don't blame the Dems. This is the fault of McConnell's GOP Senate. No bills can pass if he doesn't put them on the Senate floor.

And where is the Senate gun reform Bill? They don't have anything? How is that the Dems fault?
 
Tlrmln said:
Perhaps you weren't yet born when Congress passed a bunch of gun and crime laws, and the murder rate fell by half. So if we're done with cars, why can't we be done with guns? Why do we need to have new felony level criminal laws enforceable against individuals regarding guns, when nobody is even remotely considering the same with respect to cars? It's almost like gun control advocates don't really care about saving lives if they personally have to give something up.
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Because the environment with gun problems is getting far worse as shown by the monthly slaughters and mass killings.

And because a heavy majority of the American public demands it.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I don't think there exists one monster panacea solution. But as the CEO's stated, doing nothing at all is no longer a sensible and viable option.
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Democrats and these CEO are doing nothing at all to stem the massive tide of drunk driving and speed related fatalities on our highways. Why should guns be any different? Oh, right, because passing more useless gun laws won't actually affect Dems -- it will only affect those yucky "other" people.
 
Tlrmln said:
Do you think that Dems in the House voting on their own "assault weapon" and magazine legislation, finally after 2 and a half years after gaining control of the House, would be a positive development?
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I welcome a vote.
 
Ahlevah said:
100% effective? How about 0%? If a loon or criminal wants a gun to go along with his meth or coke he'll find another criminal to sell him one, or he'll just "borrow" mom's. What is disingenuous is to claim that this "loophole" would actually be closed by any law. But then that isn't the real goal, is it?

Connecticut Shooter Adam Lanza: His Mother's Guns? - ABC News
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As was said earlier. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

You have to start somewhere and the vast majority of Americans want gun reform
 
Tlrmln said:
Do you think that Dems in the House voting on their own "assault weapon" and magazine legislation, nearly a year years after gaining control of the House, would be a positive development?
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Correction.
 
Ahlevah said:
100% effective? How about 0%? If a loon or criminal wants a gun to go along with his meth or coke he'll find another criminal to sell him one, or he'll just "borrow" mom's. What is disingenuous is to claim that this "loophole" would actually be closed by any law. But then that isn't the real goal, is it?

Connecticut Shooter Adam Lanza: His Mother's Guns? - ABC News
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I saw Andrew Cuomo talking about universal background checks and how they would have “prevented” the Odessa shooting. Such claims belie any sense of reality for how things work. The Odessa shooter, knowing he was prohibited, looked for a seller seems to have actually been finishing 80% receivers for sale. That seller would NEVER comply with a UBC law and all that such a law would do would be to expand that underground market.

If I want to get a gun (or 500 guns) onto the new underground market I can easily sell them to a illegal buyer thus avoiding a BGC. If the gun shows up in a crime at some point all I have to do is say I sold it before the change.

The ONLY people a UBC law will impact is those who are already law abiding and wish to remain that way.
 
I'm self-identifying as a handicapped black female lesbian war veteran who is pregnant by my illegal immigrant transvestite best friend and I say, "Shall not be infringed." The queen of victimhood has spoken. ::drops mic::
 
Rogue Valley said:
The Dems have had two gun reform bills on McConnell's desk since February.

Don't blame the Dems. This is the fault of McConnell's GOP Senate. No bills can pass if he doesn't put them on the Senate floor.

And where is the Senate gun reform Bill? They don't have anything? How is that the Dems fault?
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Them Dems have had two gun control bills on their own desk in the House that they haven't voted on for going on 6 months. Something about stones and glass houses comes to mind.
 
haymarket said:
Because the environment with gun problems is getting far worse as shown by the monthly slaughters and mass killings.

And because a heavy majority of the American public demands it.
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A "heavy majority" of the American public isn't demanding anything that will significantly affect mass murder, nor are they specifically demanding any bills that Dems have introduced, at least not without being deceived by phony rhetoric.

And the environment with car problems is getting far worse, far faster. The annual number of motor vehicle deaths in this country has increased by 4000 since Sandy Hook. That's more additional deaths, every year, then all the mass shootings you ever heard of, times ten.
 
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AmNat said:
You can laugh but we all know it’s true. Leftists hear that over a hundred CEOs have agreed on something, and they show their reverence. Their gods have spoken, so no further discussion is needed.
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Why are you wrong? ;)
 
Rogue Valley said:
As was said earlier. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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But the assumption there is something is actually being ventured. On the other hand, 0 + 0 is still 0. There is no way that someone with criminal intent would be prevented from obtaining a firearm with such a law, and the people who support this law know it. They just won't admit it.

Rogue Valley said:
You have to start somewhere and the vast majority of Americans want gun reform
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Start somewhere? How about start by noting the massive fail here:

“I feel strongly that Nikolas is a danger to the students and faculty at this school. I do not feel that he understands the difference between his violent video games and reality. He is constantly showing aggressive behavior and poor judgment. His drawing in class show violent acts (people shooting at each other) or creepy sexual pictures (dogs with large penises) … I would like to see him sent to a facility that is more prepared and has the proper setting to deal with this type of child.”

Parkland dad: Massacre was avoidable, if district hadn’t enabled student
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Ahlevah said:
100% effective? How about 0%? If a loon or criminal wants a gun to go along with his meth or coke he'll find another criminal to sell him one, or he'll just "borrow" mom's. What is disingenuous is to claim that this "loophole" would actually be closed by any law. But then that isn't the real goal, is it?

Connecticut Shooter Adam Lanza: His Mother's Guns? - ABC News
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Are you suggesting that absolutely nothing can be or should be done?

Closing the gun show loophole would have a positive net impact.
 
beancounter said:
Are you suggesting that absolutely nothing can be or should be done?
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No, but I am against claiming I'm doing something when, in actuality, I AM doing nothing.

beancounter said:
Closing the gun show loophole would have a positive net impact.
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No, it would not. It's a useless "feel good" law that would do nothing to prevent someone with criminal intent from obtaining a firearm. Many of these mass shooters passed background checks, including the perp of the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, Stephen Paddock. He had no prior criminal history. So did Nikolas Cruz, the Parktown shooter, even though authorities knew he was a psychopath and still let him sit in a classroom with other students.
 
Rogue Valley said:
145 CEOs implore Senate to "take action" on gun legislation

“Doing nothing about America’s gun violence crisis is simply unacceptable,” the corporate chiefs urged senators in a letter.

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McConnell - sitting on gun reform legislation (R/KY).



If there is one thing that Massacre Mitch understands, it is the purse string ... corporate campaign donations. Who has more gravitas ... 145 corporations or the NRA?

It's well past time Mitch got off his duff and actually do something to help curb gun violence in the country. Gun reform bills have been on his Senate desk since February 2019.

Related: 145 Business Leaders Call on Congress to Act on Gun Violence
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Mitch is not the problem. Congress is stalematedd in divisions over whether or not they should pass stupid ideas just so the loonie ok media will say they did something.
 
expat_panama said:
"145 CEOs implore Senate to "take action" on gun legislation"

Considering that there are about 20K CEO's in the U.S., this would mean that more than 99% of American CEO's were not willing to implore the Senate to "take action".


Sounds about right.
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or some rich powerful elitists want to disarm the common folk. That's been going on since the first Lord prevented the peasants from owning swords or crossbows.
 
Tlrmln said:
The Senate, including each any every one if its Democrats, is doing nothing to prevent drunk driving and speeding deaths. Why is that acceptable to these geniuses?
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because more of them are drunks than gun owners?
 
Hatuey said:
The weird thing about your post is that it leads people to the conclusion that localities aren't taking measures to prevent and punish drunk drivers.


That's wild.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
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Just as the anti gun howlers pretend that there are no laws that make harming someone with a firearm a felony.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The Dems have had two gun reform bills on McConnell's desk since February.

Don't blame the Dems. This is the fault of McConnell's GOP Senate. No bills can pass if he doesn't put them on the Senate floor.

And where is the Senate gun reform Bill? They don't have anything? How is that the Dems fault?
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gun reform bills are basically conservative voter harassment actions. Dems never push for laws that actually make things harder on violent felons. Rather they want to pass laws to placate the yapping sheeple while screwing over a segment of society that usually doesn't vote for the left-wingers
 
TurtleDude said:
Just as the anti gun howlers pretend that there are no laws that make harming someone with a firearm a felony.
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The problem isn't harming people, its wide availability of tools to do.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
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