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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Licensing and registration
    Ok....first problem is a Constitutional one. A registration and or license at the Federal level would be a direct tax and would have to be in proportion to the Census population. I donít see that happening.

    Aside from that, since those not authorized to own firearms cannot be required to register or punished for not registering, then registration becomes a database of people legally allowed to own firearms. Iím not sure of the point on that. Yes, it would make confiscation easier for those who become ineligible, but I donít find that compelling.
    As for licensing... that already exists for public use in hunting, and in most states for carrying concealed. Otherwise itís a license to own a good for use on private property. I donít like that precedent.
    Can licensing and registration make it a little harder for unauthorized people to obtain firearms? Probably. But by enough to overcome the issues? I donít believe so.
    License for ammo sales
    for what purpose?
    Waiting periods
    do not reduce firearms homicides or overall suicides.
    Universal background checks
    I would prefer a nationwide database of those not authorized to purchase or own firearms.
    Doctors report to background check system
    That depends. I agree that current laws, which apply only to those who had been in-patient mental health treatment is too lax. Red flag laws where anyone can report are too loose. Medical recommendations would be useful, except...there might be some issues of privilege if there is no clear danger.


    Now....before you attack mine....what is your plan?
    I fonít Attack. I argue with reason and logic.
    As I gave previously stated, I really donít think thereís much more that can be done. Automatic minimum sentences for firearms violations or possession during a crime. Better monitoring and prevention of those not authorized from obtaining firearms, and better warning of whackos getting guns (though I have no idea how that could be accomplished.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Ok....first problem is a Constitutional one. A registration and or license at the Federal level would be a direct tax and would have to be in proportion to the Census population. I don’t see that happening.

    Aside from that, since those not authorized to own firearms cannot be required to register or punished for not registering, then registration becomes a database of people legally allowed to own firearms. I’m not sure of the point on that. Yes, it would make confiscation easier for those who become ineligible, but I don’t find that compelling.
    As for licensing... that already exists for public use in hunting, and in most states for carrying concealed. Otherwise it’s a license to own a good for use on private property. I don’t like that precedent.
    Can licensing and registration make it a little harder for unauthorized people to obtain firearms? Probably. But by enough to overcome the issues? I don’t believe so.
    for what purpose?
    do not reduce firearms homicides or overall suicides.
    I would prefer a nationwide database of those not authorized to purchase or own firearms.

    That depends. I agree that current laws, which apply only to those who had been in-patient mental health treatment is too lax. Red flag laws where anyone can report are too loose. Medical recommendations would be useful, except...there might be some issues of privilege if there is no clear danger.



    I fon’t Attack. I argue with reason and logic.
    As I gave previously stated, I really don’t think there’s much more that can be done. Automatic minimum sentences for firearms violations or possession during a crime. Better monitoring and prevention of those not authorized from obtaining firearms, and better warning of whackos getting guns (though I have no idea how that could be accomplished.
    Ok. You have expressed what you like and dislike. Got it.



    Thank you for your opinion

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    There has been all this talk here about how guns are used in mass killings, where many innocent people are killed but the fact of the matter is that neither I nor most gun owners in the USA kill innocent people. What with all these school shootings and people ranting and raving that children shouldn't be shot in math class, well as horrible as those shootings are I don't shoot children in math class or anywhere else. Ive never gone on a mass shooting and most gun owners in the USA don't either. Far less than 1 percent of all gun owners in the USA ever shoot innocent people.

    When you hear about children being shot in math class, or anywhere else, its horrible. The sad and unfortunate fact is that there are horrible people in this world who do stuff like that. But I am not one of them. As such I should not have my rights to buy and own guns infringed upon.

    In short I should not be punished because of what somebody else did with a gun.
    The liberals are concerned about mass shootings of school children but not the mass numbers of abortions of babies. Hmmmm, sounds hypocritical. There have been 1207 deaths in mass shootings in the US since 1966. Between 638,000 and 950,000 babies are aborted each year in the U.S since Roe vs Wade in 1973.
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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    The liberals are concerned about mass shootings of school children but not the mass numbers of abortions of babies. Hmmmm, sounds hypocritical.
    Abortion is cool

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Driving 135 mph on just about any road is dangerous. But if you do want to drive at 135 mph you could become a race car driver and do it on the race track. Now, should you be able to drive at 135 mph on a deserted highway where there's no other people or cars around? If you feel you should be allowed to you can take it up with the people who make the traffic laws, this is not the proper folder to discuss that.

    Buying and owning guns in and of itself is not harmful or dangerous, its all how you use them.
    If society decides that AR15s are too dangerous because too many incidents involving them have hurt too many people, then that's what society decides, and you're out of luck. Just like driving too fast.

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by dave8383 View Post
    If society decides that AR15s are too dangerous because too many incidents involving them have hurt too many people, then that's what society decides, and you're out of luck. Just like driving too fast.
    So it makes no difference to you whether or not such a ban makes sense? I find that disturbing.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    So it makes no difference to you whether or not such a ban makes sense? I find that disturbing.

    If it doesn't make sense to drive at 135 MPH on a deserted highway why doesn't it make sense not to have a firearm that nutjobs have used to hurt so many Americans?
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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by dave8383 View Post
    If it doesn't make sense to drive at 135 MPH on a deserted highway why doesn't it make sense not to have a firearm that nutjobs have used to hurt so many Americans?
    Because in the first case, it is an inherently dangerous action. In the second case it’s not.

    The proper analogy would be banning red cars because most speeders drive red cars (ok, they don’t, actually, but the point is valid).

    Just because many mass shooters (a tiny percent of all firearm murders) used AR-15 or similar, doesn’t mean the AR-15 is dangerous, just that it’s a very popular style. Eliminate them, and nut jobs will have a new favorite.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by dave8383 View Post
    If society decides that AR15s are too dangerous because too many incidents involving them have hurt too many people, then that's what society decides, and you're out of luck. Just like driving too fast.

    That's really stupid but you know it is. They'd have to change the constitution
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: I should not be punished for other people's actions

    Quote Originally Posted by dave8383 View Post
    If it doesn't make sense to drive at 135 MPH on a deserted highway why doesn't it make sense not to have a firearm that nutjobs have used to hurt so many Americans?
    you're lying again, AR 15s are rarely used to hurt other people.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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