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A friend's argument on guns, I like to hear your rebuttal

All the plans seem to be about removing legally purchased guns by law abiding citizens. Where are the plans for removing the guns from criminals?
 
Integrityrespec said:
All the plans seem to be about removing legally purchased guns by law abiding citizens. Where are the plans for removing the guns from criminals?
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that is because leftwing gun control is not crime control but a political weapon, and pro gun voters are their enemies, not violent criminals
 
TurtleDude said:
that is because leftwing gun control is not crime control but a political weapon, and pro gun voters are their enemies, not violent criminals
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You are right it is all about keeping power. In the debate they said they need to be released and have their voting privilege returned. The Dims are a party without ideas or direction. The only way they can get votes is promise free stuff, encourage illegals to vote and free criminals in exchange for votes.
 
Everything said in the original post here is absolutely correct. However, as has been pointed out, its nothing new. While pro firearm advocates fall into many different categories, they all seem to have one thing in common; they are able to ignore and/or dispute any information ( no matter how credible ) that does not support their agenda and cling to any random platitude or point of view that does. Therefore, posts of this nature ( no matter how correct ) are falling on deaf ears and are unlikely to have any affect.

In order to resolve an issue, one must first correctly identify the problem and in this case, the " Its in the Constitution dude. " or the " Guns don't kill people. People kill people. " or " The government wants to take away all the guns. " folks are not the problem. As committed and vocal as they may be, there are simply not enough of them to prevent revised legislation. According to all poles, the vast majority of Americans ( now around 80% ) are in favor of stricter gun control and when you refine the poles to more specific topics such as a ban on assault weapons, bump stocks, large capacity clips, guns shows etc., the numbers are basically the same. In a democratic society, when the will of the majority is not being recognized, the only answer is political corruption. Politicians have their own agenda and taking any stand that results in loss of votes or campaign contributions is not conducive to getting elected or reelected. In essence, the NRA is a paper tiger. The real power lies in the trillions of dollars at stake for gun manufactures, here and abroad. Nevertheless...

So is it possible to find an approach that is not a direct assault on our right to own guns or gun manufactures profits? How about laws directed at " Responsible gun ownership " or more precisely, punishment for irresponsible gun ownership ? When some nutcase opens up on a crowd of people, whether they survive or not, follow the gun(s). Where and how did they get them? Was it their dads gun? Did their dad store the gun(s) properly in a quality gun safe? If not, heavenly fine or put the dad in jail. If they purchased the gun, did the seller abide by all the rules concerning gun sales? If not, revoke their license and put them in jail. Was the gun eventually traced to a home burglary? Again, was there a gun safe? If a person can spend thousands of dollars on guns, they should be willing to spend the money on an effective gun safe, or would if it meant they would be held accountable for wherever their gun ends up. People who purchase and store guns properly are not the problem and therefore, should not have a problem with this approach.

Also, a national data base, accessible to ALL law enforcement entities, is absolutely essential. Not however on gun owners but rather a list containing individuals who are NOT allowed to buy guns. And any agency, with sufficient reason, should be allowed to add a name to this list. All to often when forensic research is done on these nutcases who perpetrate gun violence, we find that there were many signs, sometimes going back years, that this person should not have access to weapons, yet either the authorities hands are tied in terms of doing anything about it or they simply lack the motivation. You respond to multiple calls on a potential problem individual or reports from school officials. put their name on the list. If at some point they try to purchase a gun and find they are locked out, then they can appeal to get it taken off. Yea, there will be some problems with this and those who will cry that its an invasion of a persons rights but no solution is perfect and the vast majority of gun owners should not have a problem with this.

Lastly, members of Congress are there as representatives of the people. Poles should be taken in specific States and Congressional districts. Yes there are States where the majority is apposed to stricter gun regulation. In those cases, Senators who appose gun regulation reform are doing their job. Same for the House. But what about members of Congress who do not support gun reform yet the poles show the majority of people inn their State or District do support it? Investigate them. Where do their campaign contributions really come from? Does their personal finances reveal any questionable sources of revenue?

Anyway, there are many reasons for the growing gun violence in this country and no one solution is going to prevent it. But obviously something needs to be done and anything we do that reduces the amount of deaths, even a little bit, is worth it, especially to the victims and their families.

Too Sense
 
dairyair said:
1.)Sure, as soon as you point out what is wrong. According to your opinion.
2.)So far all you've done is throw ad homs.
3.) Is that the style of your posts?
Are you always so emotional?
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awesome so you choose to continue my entertainment instead of post with honesty and intergty, sweet!

1.) didnt give you my opinion i pointed out facts and that was already done
2.) im sure YOU feel that way but facts dont care about your feelings
3.) pointing out facts, yes
4.) what emotion? me laughing at your failed claims? see once again you are just making stuff up thats factually wrong lol

so here we are int he same place, your statment:
dairyair said:
The entire gun debate is nothing but emotion and feelings.
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remains factually wrong please continue!!

Let me know when you can post one fact that shows otherwise, thanks!
 
AGENT J said:
awesome so you choose to continue my entertainment instead of post with honesty and intergty, sweet!

1.) didnt give you my opinion i pointed out facts and that was already done
2.) im sure YOU feel that way but facts dont care about your feelings
3.) pointing out facts, yes
4.) what emotion? me laughing at your failed claims? see once again you are just making stuff up thats factually wrong lol

so here we are int he same place, your statment:


remains factually wrong please continue!!

Let me know when you can post one fact that shows otherwise, thanks!
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Actually, the entertainment is for the entire forum. And you are the one providing it.
You have not given a single fact. In fact, based on your replies, I am not sure you know what a fact is.


Can you tell us all why you can't go buy a newly mfg'd automatic rifle? Like the soldiers carry.
 
dairyair said:
1.)Actually, the entertainment is for the entire forum. And you are the one providing it.
2.) You have not given a single fact.
3.) In fact, based on your replies, I am not sure you know what a fact is.
4.) Can you tell us all why you can't go buy a newly mfg'd automatic rifle? Like the soldiers carry.
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YESS my entertainment continues and so does your dodge train CHOOO CHOOOO
1.) dodge and failed deflection
2.) dodge, failed deflection and hilarious factual lie or ignorance (pick one)
3.) failed personal attack
4.) meaningless failed deflections

Wow that was easy . .
so here we are in the same place, your statement:
dairyair said:
The entire gun debate is nothing but emotion and feelings.
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remains factually wrong please continue!!

Let me know when you can post one fact that shows otherwise, . . . one . . . thanks!
 
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dairyair said:
You are providing it. Over and over and over.
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Awesome another dodge and more running LOL

so here we are in the same place, your statement:
dairyair said:
The entire gun debate is nothing but emotion and feelings.
And where each person draws their line in the sand.
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remains factually wrong please continue!!

Let me know when you can post one fact that shows otherwise, . . . one . . . thanks!
 
OscarLevant said:
2) I need to protect myself from a tyrannical Government...

Holy **** that’s stupid. That idea was from a time when the state of war was much more level. It isn’t now. At all. If an armored transport shows up on your front lawn with a 50 cal on the roof, you and your AK are ****ing toast. Soldiers train, and their weapons are an extension of their body. You will instantly lose. And before you bring up guerrilla fighters in Afghanistan or Iraq... you need a reality check. Those people were born in a country that was at war, on their soil, for their entire lives. You don’t compare to that on your best day. And they die in FAR greater numbers than they kill.
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I responded to this post and you have not shown any ability to defend or concede your 'friend's' argument.

Why is that? Please see post 46 for reference.
 
OscarLevant has left the building and it looks like he's not coming back.
 
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