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Universal BG Check Could Have Saved Lives

vegas giants said:
Why does trump refuse to endorse this law? Is he a gun banner. I think so
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Why are you asking me about what Trump refuses to do? Do I speak for him? We're talking about what Democrats want to do: i.e. pass more laws that aren't going to be enforced against actual criminals.
 
Tlrmln said:
Why are you asking me about what Trump refuses to do? Do I speak for him? We're talking about what Democrats want to do: i.e. pass more laws that aren't going to be enforced against actual criminals.
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Yeah trump does not want to enforce this gun law. He is soft on crime and a gun banner
 
vegas giants said:
Trump could change this tomorrow.


He refuses to
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He's obviously not very bright. Why aren't your lefty heroes demanding it? They're certainly not shy about demanding things.
 
Tlrmln said:
He's obviously not very bright. Why aren't your lefty heroes demanding it? They're certainly not shy about demanding things.
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Certainly no one on the right is demanding this be enforced..
..are they? Maybe we need better laws
 
vegas giants said:
Certainly no one on the right is demanding this be enforced..
..are they? Maybe we need better laws
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"Better laws" that no one, right or left, will enforce. Brilliant idea.

I have a better idea: Let's pass a law allowing police to randomly search the homes of people who vote in favor of gun control up to once per month. We'll put a ten-year sunset on it, and if Dems vote to renew the law, we'll automatically ban 11+ round magazines along with the renewal.

That way you can prove your personal commitment to fighting violent crime before you impose a commitment on others.

Deal?
 
TurtleDude said:
you're just making that up. You are assuming all or most private sellers would conduct a background check and that the government can actually enforce that. the vast majority of criminals get their firearms from people who know they are criminals and only the truly naive believe that someone willing and intending to commit mass murders are going to be deterred by a background check UNLESS those denied a firearm are then arrested for committing perjury on form 4473
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The huge assumption in the OP is that if no guns were available that the perp would have never committed the crime. Why not assume he would have bought a gallon of gasoline and a match and caused far more death and destruction?
 
Tlrmln said:
"Better laws" that no one, right or left, will enforce. Brilliant idea.

I have a better idea: Let's pass a law allowing police to randomly search the homes of people who vote in favor of gun control up to once per month. We'll put a ten-year sunset on it, and if Dems vote to renew the law, we'll automatically ban 11+ round magazines along with the renewal.

That way you can prove your personal commitment to fighting violent crime before you impose a commitment on others.

Deal?
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Better get your brown shirt out of the laundry first. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Why does trump refuse to endorse this law? Is he a gun banner. I think so
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The law Trump won't endorse. Are you referring to UBC?

Possibly because it has never been shown to have an effect on murder.

Do we need yet another useless law?
 
jimbo said:
The law Trump won't endorse. Are you referring to UBC?

Possibly because it has never been shown to have an effect on murder.

Do we need yet another useless law?
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It's the current law. Everyone says just enforce the current law.


Trump refuses to put these people in jail
 
vegas giants said:
Better get your brown shirt out of the laundry first. Lol
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What, you're not willing to give up a little of your freedom to save lives? Think of all the illegal guns that we could get off the street!

C'mon, nobody "needs" to have privacy 100% of the time. Isn't 29 days a month enough privacy for you? Seriously, if you can't get all the privacy you need in 353 days per year, you probably shouldn't be trusted with your privacy. The only reason for anyone to demand privacy 100% of the time is if they have something to hide.
 
Tlrmln said:
What, you're not willing to give up a little of your freedom to save lives? Think of all the illegal guns that we could get off the street!

C'mon, nobody "needs" to have privacy 100% of the time. Isn't 29 days a month enough privacy for you? Seriously, if you can't get all the privacy you need in 353 days per year, you probably shouldn't be trusted with your privacy. The only reason for anyone to demand privacy 100% of the time is if they have something to hide.
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Good. We start with your house....unless you are hiding something???
 
jimbo said:
What people? What law?
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People who lie on the background check form and fail commit a federal crime. Trump has their complete address. He could arrest thousands tomorrow.


Why doesnt he?
 
vegas giants said:
People who lie on the background check form and fail commit a federal crime. Trump has their complete address. He could arrest thousands tomorrow.


Why doesnt he?
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I'm not sure BGC data is kept data is kept by the feds. It's my understanding that the state keeps the data. Here in VA for 5 years by the dealer, then it's destroyed.
 
jimbo said:
I'm not sure BGC data is kept data is kept by the feds. It's my understanding that the state keeps the data. Here in VA for 5 years by the dealer, then it's destroyed.
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If someone fails the dealer can report it to the atf for prosecution
 
vegas giants said:
Good. We start with your house....unless you are hiding something???
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Nope, you missed an important detail. This is an opportunity for you and other gun control advocates to put your money where your mouth is. Before you get to impose restrictions on other people (i.e. restrictions that won't affect you), you should be willing to demonstrate your own willingness to give up a little freedom. Only after you demonstrate your commitment to public safety, will we believe that you are really so motivated.
 
Tlrmln said:
Nope, you missed an important detail. This is an opportunity for you and other gun control advocates to put your money where your mouth is. Before you get to impose restrictions on other people (i.e. restrictions that won't affect you), you should be willing to demonstrate your own willingness to give up a little freedom. Only after you demonstrate your commitment to public safety, will we believe that you are really so motivated.
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You sound like you are hiding something? Very suspicious. If it's a good plan let's start at your house.


Deal?
 
vegas giants said:
If someone fails the dealer can report it to the atf for prosecution
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Operative word - can. I can report it for possible prosecution.

So no, BGC info is not kept by the feds.

And no, President Trump does not have their names and addresses.
 
jimbo said:
Operative word - can. I can report it for possible prosecution.

So no, BGC info is not kept by the feds.

And no, President Trump does not have their names and addresses.
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All he has to do is ask. They are required to provide it. ATF could have them tomorrow.


He doesnt want to enforce this law
 
vegas giants said:
You sound like you are hiding something? Very suspicious. If it's a good plan let's start at your house.


Deal?
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Thanks for admitting publicly that you're not willing to sacrifice anything to save lives, even though you demand it of other people.

Is there anything enjoy that you'd be willing to sacrifice to save lives? Please, tell us what a great person you are.
 
Tlrmln said:
Thanks for admitting publicly that you're not willing to sacrifice anything to save lives, even though you demand it of other people.

Is there anything enjoy that you'd be willing to sacrifice to save lives? Please, tell us what a great person you are.
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I am a great person. But clearly you are hiding something at home.


Sounds very suspicious
 
For those in favor of UBC, please address this scenario:
A person with no criminal record and is of good mental health goes in to purchase a firearm. A check is run and it comes back clean. The person purchase the firearm. Time passes and something sets of the person off. They go bat crazy and shoots a bunch of people. How would a the UBC have stopped the shooting?

imo, the UBC is just one way politicians are trying to say hey public, we improved gun control. When deep down they know it will not stop anything.
 
mike2810 said:
For those in favor of UBC, please address this scenario:
A person with no criminal record and is of good mental health goes in to purchase a firearm. A check is run and it comes back clean. The person purchase the firearm. Time passes and something sets of the person off. They go bat crazy and shoots a bunch of people. How would a the UBC have stopped the shooting?

imo, the UBC is just one way politicians are trying to say hey public, we improved gun control. When deep down they know it will not stop anything.
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You mean the system is not perfect?????
 
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