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YAY!! Walmart steps up!

HumblePi said:
Aw, how sweet of you to be so concerned about poor little Walmart, but I think they're going to be just fine even without the sales of those particular weapons of mass destruction and ammunition for those weapons.
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You don't have much of an education, do you.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If that's so, gasoline can be a weapon of mass destruction.
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a while back a feud between two different hispanic ethnicities resulted in one hispanic, using a gallon of gasoline and a lighter to kill dozens of people when he firebombed a different group of hispanics' night club
 
HumblePi said:
20 people murdered in a matter of minutes. That's mass destruction no matter how you slice it.
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As I said, in that case gasoline can be a weapon of mass destruction. A truck can be a weapon of mass destruction. And as we all know, an airplane can be a weapon of mass destruction.
 
iguanaman said:
There is about a 1% chance they will use their gun to defend themselves from an intruder.
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And there is about a 1% chance that you will ever need to use fire insurance, or health insurance. Actually you're about 3 times as likely to have your home invaded than you are of having a house fire so there is even less of a chance you will ever need to use your fire insurance than you will need to use a gun against a home intruder. Its still a good idea to have insurance, there is certainly nothing wrong with having fire insurance.

iguanaman said:
If you want to shoot in competition there are lockers you can use to keep your weapon at the range it you are smart. There is no reason to bring it home since it increases your odds of an untimely death.
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Im not so incompetent as to have to store my property somewhere else besides my home.
It only increases your odds of an untimely death if not handled properly.

People with your attitude towards guns are so ignorant on the subject.
 
Linc said:
Weapons of Wars — WoWs — don’t ever expect even ONE show of empathy for those Children slaughtered by their WoWs
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You and I both know how stupid that is.. The only military grade firearm that you might find at a Walmart is a Mossberg 500 shotgun.
 
DebateChallenge said:
And there is about a 1% chance that you will ever need to use fire insurance, or health insurance. Actually you're about 3 times as likely to have your home invaded than you are of having a house fire so there is even less of a chance you will ever need to use your fire insurance than you will need to use a gun against a home intruder. Its still a good idea to have insurance, there is certainly nothing wrong with having fire insurance.


Im not so incompetent as to have to store my property somewhere else besides my home.
It only increases your odds of an untimely death if not handled properly.

People with your attitude towards guns are so ignorant on the subject.
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The only thing most anti gun advocates know is this: the NRA and most avid gun owners vote against the candidates anti gun advocates support. That is what motivates 95% of the anti gun posts on this board. And understanding firearms plays no role in anti gun posts
 
TurtleDude said:
You and I both know how stupid that is.. The only military grade firearm that you might find at a Walmart is a Mossberg 500 shotgun.
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Walmart also sells knives, I wouldn't be surprised if they sell the same fighting knives that are issued to soldiers.
 
DebateChallenge said:
And there is about a 1% chance that you will ever need to use fire insurance, or health insurance. Actually you're about 3 times as likely to have your home invaded than you are of having a house fire so there is even less of a chance you will ever need to use your fire insurance than you will need to use a gun against a home intruder. Its still a good idea to have insurance, there is certainly nothing wrong with having fire insurance.


Im not so incompetent as to have to store my property somewhere else besides my home.
It only increases your odds of an untimely death if not handled properly.

People with your attitude towards guns are so ignorant on the subject.
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Yes you can ignore the odds but you should not have and misconceptions about being safer from gun violence because you are not. That is being ignorant. BTW Having fire insurance does not make it 5 times more likely that you or a loved one will die from gun violence. Remember 99 times out of 100 a gun will be used for suicide, homicide or other felonies, not protection.

Guns can kill you in three ways: homicide, suicide, and by accident. Owning a gun or having one readily accessible makes all three more likely. One meta-analysis ”found strong evidence for increased odds of suicide among persons with access to firearms compared with those without access and moderate evidence for an attenuated increased odds of homicide victimization when persons with and without access to firearms were compared.” The latter finding is stronger for women, a reminder that guns are also a risk factor for domestic violence.

The same thing is true for accidents. States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.
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Living in a house with a gun increases your odds of death - Vox
 
TurtleDude said:
your disinformation is well known. If you don't trust yourself with a gun in your home, don't have one. But millions of violent crimes have been stopped by homeowners being armed. And let's stop the charade. Your anti gun positions-as set forth in your posts-are not motivated by worrying someone else might commit suicide. Your posts establish that you have a political dislike of gun rights advocates and that is what motivates your constantly erroneous or dishonest claims about firearms ownership
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So you deny the data that says you are far more likely to die if you have a gun readily available? A pity...even Gun Dealers, Range owners and firearm instructors are joining in to combat the growing problem of suicides committed by guns.

Gun dealers, range owners and firearms instructors have found that suicide prevention fits into their mission to promote the safe use of guns. Hundreds of them around the country now share suicide-prevention literature, emphasize prevention techniques in their concealed-carry classes, teach workers to recognize distress among customers and welcome prevention advocates to firearm trade shows.
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More than 20,000 Americans a year kill themselves with a gun. Alarmed gun sellers are joining the suicide prevention fight.
 
HumblePi said:
Walmart just announced that it's stepping back from gun sales and ammo sales. The story just broke but from what I heard they will no longer sell the 'assault-style' weapons and large ammo clips.


FINALLY
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This isn't doing anything anybody who wants that can get it from anywhere else.
 
HumblePi said:
Walmart just announced that it's stepping back from gun sales and ammo sales. The story just broke but from what I heard they will no longer sell the 'assault-style' weapons and large ammo clips.


FINALLY
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That story about rifles broke 4-5 years ago, actually, and also back in the 90s when they stopped selling handguns. Old news.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes you can ignore the odds but you should not have and misconceptions about being safer from gun violence because you are not. That is being ignorant. BTW Having fire insurance does not make it 5 times more likely that you or a loved one will die from gun violence. Remember 99 times out of 100 a gun will be used for suicide, homicide or other felonies, not protection.



Living in a house with a gun increases your odds of death - Vox
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did it ever occur to you how those studies are done? they don't account for other risk factors. People living in middle class environments, with no history of drug abuse are a very different environment from homes where drug abuse is prevalent. Then they work backwards and try to extrapolate high risk homes to everyone.
 
iguanaman said:
So you deny the data that says you are far more likely to die if you have a gun readily available? A pity...even Gun Dealers, Range owners and firearm instructors are joining in to combat the growing problem of suicides committed by guns.



More than 20,000 Americans a year kill themselves with a gun. Alarmed gun sellers are joining the suicide prevention fight.
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suicide does not concern me. Besides, don't you liberals believe that people have a right to do that?
 
iguanaman said:
I am saying that 99% of "home" gun owners who actually USE their guns use it to commit suicide or to commit a felony. There is about a 1% chance they will use their gun to defend themselves from an intruder. Most home gun owners never use their guns for any purpose but if they do the statistics are quite clear. Remember what the supposed purpose of owning a gun is and how that differs from reality. Do you really want a handgun that is far more likely to kill you or a family member than any other weapon in your nightstand? If you want to shoot in competition there are lockers you can use to keep your weapon at the range it you are smart. There is no reason to bring it home since it increases your odds of an untimely death.
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I get the feeling most of your information is made up. The use of a weapon for home defense is probably less than 1%, but the likely chance of killing a family member while using it to defend your home is also probably around 1%. I have heard of it happening but I have heard way more times where people have shot at or hit intruders without hurting a family member.

If you are shooting competition keeping your gun at the range would actually be stupid. I have plans to hit about 4 different ranges for practice, maybe 6 different ranges for competition. Why would I keep my rifle at any of those ranges?
 
TurtleDude said:
suicide does not concern me. Besides, don't you liberals believe that people have a right to do that?
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LOL So that is how you support our Vets? By defending their "right" to blow their brains out? Suicide is a mental illness.

As we observe World Suicide Prevention Day on Sept. 10, suicide statistics in the United States continue to worsen. The U.S. suicide rate is now 33% higher than it was in 1999, in stark contrast with a downward trend globally.

This disturbing trajectory comes into even greater focus as we also mark the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks tomorrow. Since the attacks in 2001, well over 2.7 million Americans have served on 5.4 million military deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. An alarming number of those who return home live with the horrors of post-traumatic stress disorder. The Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that at least 500,000 soldiers suffer serious emotional problems, and approximately 20 die by suicide every day. Of those 20, officials say that an estimated 14 are not receiving regular care from the VA. The VA also reports that the suicide rate for veterans is 50% greater than for Americans who never served in the military. Yet prior to these conflicts, the suicide rate among veterans had been traditionally lower than the national average.
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We need more than awareness to defeat the epidemic of veteran suicides
 
TurtleDude said:
The only thing most anti gun advocates know is this: the NRA and most avid gun owners vote against the candidates anti gun advocates support. That is what motivates 95% of the anti gun posts on this board. And understanding firearms plays no role in anti gun posts
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And gun nuts not do not understand that the statistics of gun ownership show that owning a gun makes you less safe from gun violence. They block it out because they think they are immune from the risk.

RESEARCH FINDS THAT HAVING A GUN IN YOUR HOME CAN MAKE YOUR HOUSEHOLD LESS SAFE
A new study finds that residents of states with higher levels of gun ownership are more likely to be shot to death by a family member or intimate partner.
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Keeping a Gun in Your Home Can Make Your Household Less Safe, Research Finds - Pacific Standard
 
iguanaman said:
And gun nuts not do not understand that the statistics of gun ownership show that owning a gun makes you less safe from gun violence. They block it out because they think they are immune from the risk.



Keeping a Gun in Your Home Can Make Your Household Less Safe, Research Finds - Pacific Standard
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That study makes 0 mention of home break-ins. I know you seem to think that people are completely inept and will more likely shoot a family member than a home invader, I think you are wrong, but there are very few studies on the subject. That study however only talks about one part of having a gun in the home. That means they had a notion and used only data they wanted to prove that notion.
 
iguanaman said:
And gun nuts not do not understand that the statistics of gun ownership show that owning a gun makes you less safe from gun violence. They block it out because they think they are immune from the risk.



Keeping a Gun in Your Home Can Make Your Household Less Safe, Research Finds - Pacific Standard
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Owning a car can make you more susceptible to an early death.
Owning a pool can increase the chance of an early death in your home.
Taking up mountain climbing can increase your risk of death.
Scuba diving can increase your risk of death.

The studies that cite an 'increased risk' of death invariably center around 3 high risk communities and involve family environments already associated with a high risk of death and violence.

As for the suicide rates and firearm deaths...this is the most blatant abuse of statistics in any of the anti-gun arguments because thy only consider life inside of a bubble. What happened to the suicide rates in the UK after gun bans? What happened to suicide rates in Japan after gun bans? What happened to suicide rates in Australia after gun bans? See...using the logic you cite, those rates should have dramatically decreased. They didnt. But thats the big leftist lie. If people didnt have guns they wouldnt kill themselves. Here. They managed to do it everywhere else..."but in the US...boy...its going to be different...you just watch."
 
Moon said:
Actually, they are discontinuing sales of short-barrel rifle ammunition like .223 and .556 and discontinuing hand gun sales in Alaska. They haven’t sold AR style rifles since 2015.

Dumb decision, as it will have exactly zero impact on gun crimes, but it’s their dumb decision to make.
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OTOH next time someone shoots up a bunch of people with a semi automatic rifle, the rifle and the ammo for the shoot-up won't be traced to Walmart. That's a good thing for them. As for the open carry of firearms, which Walmart no longer permits in their stores, other customers won't be leaving the store because they see someone who isn't a police officer carrying a gun.:mrgreen:
 
VanceMack said:
Owning a car can make you more susceptible to an early death.
Owning a pool can increase the chance of an early death in your home.
Taking up mountain climbing can increase your risk of death.
Scuba diving can increase your risk of death.

The studies that cite an 'increased risk' of death invariably center around 3 high risk communities and involve family environments already associated with a high risk of death and violence.

As for the suicide rates and firearm deaths...this is the most blatant abuse of statistics in any of the anti-gun arguments because thy only consider life inside of a bubble. What happened to the suicide rates in the UK after gun bans? What happened to suicide rates in Japan after gun bans? What happened to suicide rates in Australia after gun bans? See...using the logic you cite, those rates should have dramatically decreased. They didnt. But thats the big leftist lie. If people didnt have guns they wouldnt kill themselves. Here. They managed to do it everywhere else..."but in the US...boy...its going to be different...you just watch."
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Owning cars and pools have values that easily outweigh the risks. When 99 out of 100 "uses" for a home gun are for suicide or felonies it is hard to see how that is true about guns.
We have nearly twice the suicide rate of Great Britain and then there is this....

FIREARM AVAILABILITY AND SUICIDE
Dr. David Hemenway discussed the impact of firearm suicides on the national suicide rate for the United States. Reducing access to methods has proven successful in impacting overall suicide rates, as efforts in other nations including Japan and Great Britain have shown. He discussed research findings on firearm access and suicide, cross-national data, and issues of data collection.

Our kids have 10 times the gun suicide rate as kids in France and Australia and other countries.

David Hemenway

Dr. Hemenway explained that the U.S. has the highest rate of firearm suicide of all 27 developed nations, whereas we have the 16th highest rate of suicide. Over 50 percent of all suicides are by firearm in the U.S., according to Dr. Hemenway. Some reasons for the high firearm suicide rate according to Dr. Hemenway are the high number of handguns and less regulation of firearms than in other developed nations. The U.S. lacks a national licensing or registration system, and there are no national storage laws. There is also a large secondary market of gun sales.
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FIREARM AVAILABILITY AND SUICIDE - Suicide Prevention and Intervention - NCBI Bookshelf
 
daeler said:
That study makes 0 mention of home break-ins. I know you seem to think that people are completely inept and will more likely shoot a family member than a home invader, I think you are wrong, but there are very few studies on the subject. That study however only talks about one part of having a gun in the home. That means they had a notion and used only data they wanted to prove that notion.
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LOL Home guns are more often used to PURPOSELY shoot a family member than an intruder. Nothing was said about accidents although they are another major cause of gun deaths in the home.

A litany of studies, surveys, and anecdotal evidence from the last two decades points to the fact that women, specifically, are more likely to be harmed when they live in a home where a gun is present. The same appears to be especially true if their partners own guns, or if they live in a state with a higher rate of gun ownership. And much of the data suggests that women who are already in danger of being physically harmed — like if they are in an abusive relationship, for example — are that much more at risk when that person owns a gun.[/B
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Gun Violence Statistics Show Women Are Impacted At A Disproportionate Rate

If the main reason North Americans believe in owning a firearm is for self-protection then they may need to be aware that the actual deployment of such a weapon during a crime as a protective act is in fact very rare—even in a society which is so awash with armaments.

The evidence is that guns feature much more in the commission of crimes than in personal defense. Even when they are actually used as an act of personal protection – the evidence is not at all strong that they are of that much use.
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Does Owning a Gun Protect You? | Psychology Today
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Home guns are more often used to PURPOSELY shoot a family member than an intruder. Nothing was said about accidents although they are another major cause of gun deaths in the home.


Gun Violence Statistics Show Women Are Impacted At A Disproportionate Rate



Does Owning a Gun Protect You? | Psychology Today
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You should find better studies, these people have no clue what they are talking about.

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia

2.5 million uses of guns in self defense a year, as quoted by the FBI statistics.
you should really read studies from better sites. even one of your links mentioned that only 4% of people in their study were harmed during or after they used a gun in self defense. Not sure where they got their numbers from since they don't really give you that information other than "we asked people".
 
daeler said:
You should find better studies, these people have no clue what they are talking about.

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia

2.5 million uses of guns in self defense a year, as quoted by the FBI statistics.
you should really read studies from better sites. even one of your links mentioned that only 4% of people in their study were harmed during or after they used a gun in self defense. Not sure where they got their numbers from since they don't really give you that information other than "we asked people".
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Yes just ignore studies you don't like the results of. Sdgu=self-defense gun use

Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a sdgu. Sdgu was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after sdgu, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of sdgu victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that sdgu is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.
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The Epidemiology of Self-Defense Gun Use: Evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011 | Request PDF
 
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