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Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

independentusa said:
That is just what the NRA and the gun makers want. Run out and buy, buy buy. I remember when Obama was elected and the NRA told you all to buy ammo before Obama took away the right. Hunters could not get ammo for hunting as you fools ran out and bought it all. Walmart actually had to put up a sign saying they were out and did not know when they would get more. The gug and ammo makers were laughing at you all the way to the bank.
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People like you are why many folks go out and buy guns. Every time there is a massacre-people like you start screaming for gun bans. I know what was going on at Walmart since the ATF agents told me.

Walmart would receive shipments of 22 ammo say on Wed. Morning. WALMART employees were buying the ammo. Hoarding it. Customers would arrive at Walmart and find no ammo. So they would go to say gun shows where the same Walmart employees were scalping the ammo and buy it at inflated prices. I had no problems getting ammo -because I am a VIP customer at two different retailers. They know I am a prominent competitive shooter and I was not buying ammo to hoard for sale but to use. Plus, the owners of those establishments didn't let their employees buy any more 22 than other customers could. I also buy in bulk so I had plenty of Ammo so I didn't have to pay inflated prices.

Bottom line-if gun banners didn't engage in pavlovian howls for bans-there wouldn't be people buying the very guns that scare the gun banners the most
 
TurtleDude said:
More ignorant nonsense : most of those mass killings are not cases where an active shooter goes nuts and kills people at random. The vast majority of them are gang related or -as is the case near my home-where a guy-mad over his wife's actions of filing for divorce-shot her and three more members of her family. What the NRA says is this

Punish people who use firearms to harm others
punish felons who possess firearms
punish people who intentionally supply criminals with weapons

while people such as you want to harass lawful gun owners for political reasons.

statistically, dying in a random act of mass shooting is extremely rare-California-in 30 years, has had about 142 deaths through real mass shootings. That's less than 5 people a year. Gun banners are howling about these massacres since they get lots of publicity, without noting that most of the gunshot murders in the USA take place in less than a half dozen COUNTIES-all of which are run by Democrats
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:applaud:applaud:applaud

Yes Yes Yes!! Make the criminal responsible! Stop screwing with the legal gun owner!
 
independentusa said:
An MI Garand has a clip carrying 8 shots before you have to reload. You can not get larger clips for that weapon. The carbine can hold 15 rounds.
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and there are 30 round magazines for the MI carbine. And the prototype for both the BM 59 and the MI4 was a MI Garand that an enlisted man-serving in a tanker unit rigged to use a BAR 20 round magazine
 
Common Sense 1 said:
:applaud:applaud:applaud

Yes Yes Yes!! Make the criminal responsible! Stop screwing with the legal gun owner!
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gun banners only pretend its about crime-their real goal is harassing legal gun owners because many of us oppose their leftwing agendas
 
independentusa said:
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?
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They already sent their thoughts and prayers. What more can they do?
 
bearpoker said:
They already sent their thoughts and prayers. What more can they do?
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sure beats trying to use the blood of the victims to pass stupid laws that are intended to harass honest gun owners but won't do a damn thing to stop active shooters. Even worse is that stupid people will think that if such laws are passed, then they will prevent such massacres.
 
TurtleDude said:
gun banners only pretend its about crime-their real goal is harassing legal gun owners because many of us oppose their leftwing agendas
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Oh, you called me a gun banner, I am so upset, yuk, yuk. And you are one who thinks it is okay to have mass killings in this country. You are part of the problem and do not even understand. You are so gun crazy that you think that having these mass murders is just the cost of you getting to have all of the guns you want. Like I have said, hopefully no one in your family ever is killed in one of these mass shootings, but do not think it can not happen to your or yours. That is what all the dead people shot by these people thought.
 
TurtleDude said:
sure beats trying to use the blood of the victims to pass stupid laws that are intended to harass honest gun owners but won't do a damn thing to stop active shooters. Even worse is that stupid people will think that if such laws are passed, then they will prevent such massacres.
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Hey, I said "what more can we do?" I understand that we are impotent and helpless and can do nothing but endure like the powerless schmucks that we are. What's your problem?
 
independentusa said:
Oh, you called me a gun banner, I am so upset, yuk, yuk. And you are one who thinks it is okay to have mass killings in this country. You are part of the problem and do not even understand. You are so gun crazy that you think that having these mass murders is just the cost of you getting to have all of the guns you want. Like I have said, hopefully no one in your family ever is killed in one of these mass shootings, but do not think it can not happen to your or yours. That is what all the dead people shot by these people thought.
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more stupidity. You make all sorts of stupid comments about guns, and demonstrate you don't understand that if a rifle -such as the Remington 750, accepts a detachable magazine, that means it can accept one that is larger than the factory standard. Unlike you-who thinks you can stop mass shootings by passing unconstitutional and stupid laws that are really intended to harass lawful gun owners, I actually do something far more useful. I teach people how to shoot, how to recognize cover and concealment and what to do in an active shooter scenario. I also have had hundreds of hours of training in such matters. Your pathetic attempts to blame mass shootings on those of us who actually support our constitutional rights are idiotic. People who think like you have come up with the idiocy of "gun free zones which are essentially "safe working environments for mass shooters"

why should anyone who understands firearms take your opinions seriously when you have constantly demonstrated that you haven't a clue about the firearms you want to ban?
 
TurtleDude said:
gun banners only pretend its about crime-their real goal is harassing legal gun owners because many of us oppose their leftwing agendas
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Are you crazy, almost all of the mass shooters were "legal" gun owners. The fact that they can get a weapon that can put out forty two rounds in just 32 seconds with the use of a military style weapon and a hundred round drum magazine is what allows them to do so. If the Dayton shooter had just been able to take about ten more steps and gotten into the bar he would have killed many, many more before he ran out of rounds. But he was a "legal" gun owner who you think had every right to buy such a weapon. I am sure you have sent out your thoughts and prayers for the dead.
 
bearpoker said:
Hey, I said "what more can we do?" I understand that we are impotent and helpless and can do nothing but endure like the powerless schmucks that we are. What's your problem?
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I am not helpless and powerless. Speak for yourself.
 
TurtleDude said:
more stupidity. You make all sorts of stupid comments about guns, and demonstrate you don't understand that if a rifle -such as the Remington 750, accepts a detachable magazine, that means it can accept one that is larger than the factory standard. Unlike you-who thinks you can stop mass shootings by passing unconstitutional and stupid laws that are really intended to harass lawful gun owners, I actually do something far more useful. I teach people how to shoot, how to recognize cover and concealment and what to do in an active shooter scenario. I also have had hundreds of hours of training in such matters. Your pathetic attempts to blame mass shootings on those of us who actually support our constitutional rights are idiotic. People who think like you have come up with the idiocy of "gun free zones which are essentially "safe working environments for mass shooters"

why should anyone who understands firearms take your opinions seriously when you have constantly demonstrated that you haven't a clue about the firearms you want to ban?
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You should tell jet57 that a shotgun is not a rifle. It has a smooth bore and no rifling.
 
independentusa said:
Are you crazy, almost all of the mass shooters were "legal" gun owners. The fact that they can get a weapon that can put out forty two rounds in just 32 seconds with the use of a military style weapon and a hundred round drum magazine is what allows them to do so. If the Dayton shooter had just been able to take about ten more steps and gotten into the bar he would have killed many, many more before he ran out of rounds. But he was a "legal" gun owner who you think had every right to buy such a weapon. I am sure you have sent out your thoughts and prayers for the dead.
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If the Dayton shooter had any training, he would have carried a couple common handguns concealed upon him until he entered the bar and then started shooting. This tactic would have prevented him from being easily targeted by the several well armed police officers who were in the area and that also would have prevented the police from being able to open up on him right away due to the congestion and confusion. He could have easily killed at least 20-25 people in such a situation with a couple handguns and a couple extra normal capacity magazines.
 
TurtleDude said:
more stupidity. You make all sorts of stupid comments about guns, and demonstrate you don't understand that if a rifle -such as the Remington 750, accepts a detachable magazine, that means it can accept one that is larger than the factory standard. Unlike you-who thinks you can stop mass shootings by passing unconstitutional and stupid laws that are really intended to harass lawful gun owners, I actually do something far more useful. I teach people how to shoot, how to recognize cover and concealment and what to do in an active shooter scenario. I also have had hundreds of hours of training in such matters. Your pathetic attempts to blame mass shootings on those of us who actually support our constitutional rights are idiotic. People who think like you have come up with the idiocy of "gun free zones which are essentially "safe working environments for mass shooters"

why should anyone who understands firearms take your opinions seriously when you have constantly demonstrated that you haven't a clue about the firearms you want to ban?
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Are you sure of that? Just because it will accept a magazine does not mean it can accept a larger clip'
 
independentusa said:
You should tell jet57 that a shotgun is not a rifle. It has a smooth bore and no rifling.
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He has been told dozens of times. I will note that some shotguns-designed purely for deer hunting with rifled slugs, now have rifled barrels
 
independentusa said:
Are you sure of that? Just because it will accept a magazine does not mean it can accept a larger clip'
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If it accepts a detachable magazine it almost certainly will. If it has an internal magazine-such as the tubular magazines on some 22 Semi Autos-that is going to prevent expanding the magazine without some major modifications.

Edit-some earlier handguns-like the Walther P-38, are such that the magazine retaining device is located at the very end of the grip and an extended magazine will not work with such a device. However, I cannot remember any modern Semi auto pistol that the magazine retaining device is made that way any more.
 
TurtleDude said:
If the Dayton shooter had any training, he would have carried a couple common handguns concealed upon him until he entered the bar and then started shooting. This tactic would have prevented him from being easily targeted by the several well armed police officers who were in the area and that also would have prevented the police from being able to open up on him right away due to the congestion and confusion. He could have easily killed at least 20-25 people in such a situation with a couple handguns and a couple extra normal capacity magazines.
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Actually you can buy hundred round magazines for automatic pistols now. Isn't that wonderful. You people will not accept that you are just as guilty as those who do the shooting. I am from a military family and spent time in the military myself so I have no problem with people owning guns for self protection or hunting, but the guns we are talking about are not for defense, they are for offense and that is how these mass murders are using them. They are military weapons.
 
independentusa said:
Actually you can buy hundred round magazines for automatic pistols now. Isn't that wonderful. You people will not accept that you are just as guilty as those who do the shooting. I am from a military family and spent time in the military myself so I have no problem with people owning guns for self protection or hunting, but the guns we are talking about are not for defense, they are for offense and that is how these mass murders are using them. They are military weapons.
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that is beyond idiotic. For someone who claims to have spent time in the military-it is obvious that you were never handling small arms. you are also confusing semi auto rifles with large capacity magazines. And claiming a large capacity magazine makes a commonly owned civilian rifle into a military weapon is as stupid as claiming that if you paint your SUV in Camo, that makes it a Bradley military vehicle.

claiming those of us who actually understand firearms and don't buy into stupid attempts to limit our rights are as responsible for the shootings as the murderers is beyond unacceptable
 
independentusa said:
Actually you can buy hundred round magazines for automatic pistols now. Isn't that wonderful. You people will not accept that you are just as guilty as those who do the shooting. I am from a military family and spent time in the military myself so I have no problem with people owning guns for self protection or hunting, but the guns we are talking about are not for defense, they are for offense and that is how these mass murders are using them. They are military weapons.
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you cannot BUY automatic pistols that were made after May 19, 1986, unless you are a Class III dealer with a police or military contract or at least a request letter.
 
independentusa said:
Actually not. There are lever action or bolt action rifles. There are a few pump action, but those are mostly shotguns. Until lately there were few rifles sold that were semiautomatic except hunting rifles. Lately the semi's are almost all AR-15 style which as one GOPer on line said I have hunted for 17 years and never shot 15 deer in a row.
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TurtleDude said:
don't count the several hundred thousand MI carbines and several hundred thousand (minimum) MI Garands that our own government sold to us Civilians (I have 5 of each-most came from the Dept of Civilian marksmanship before it was converted to the private CMP by the Clinton administration) . and don't count the 20 million or so semi automatic rimfire rifles such as the Ruger 10-22 etc
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It's astonishing how clueless this guy's comments are. Okay, maybe not. Very little surprises me anymore.
 
independentusa said:
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?
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What gun control laws have Dems in Congress proposed that would have prevented either of these shootings???
 
TurtleDude said:
I am not helpless and powerless. Speak for yourself.
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So what are you gonna do? Are you going to be the good guy with a gun? Go around armed at all times. Ready to engage in gun battles with the mass murderers?
 
Mycroft said:
It seems to me that Trump called for "intelligent background checks" after those shootings. I don't know what Mitch has called for.

Trump calls for 'intelligent background checks' in response to mass shootings | TheHill

But the gun grabbers are stuck on "universal background checks" and that's what Trump has said he won't go for.

I don't know...maybe the gun grabbers can come up with some intelligent background checks and see if Trump will go for them. It could happen, I guess.
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He also called for outright gun confiscations, at the direct expense of due process. I don't believe your batter can remember which team he's on.
 
independentusa said:
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?
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Seeing as background checks are standard, and will keep you from getting a weapon if you have even the slightest blemish on your record. Working with specific flagging groups to pin point those with severe mental issues, and working to actually enforce existing laws could do wonders.
 
Oborosen said:
Seeing as background checks are standard, and will keep you from getting a weapon if you have even the slightest blemish on your record. Working with specific flagging groups to pin point those with severe mental issues, and working to actually enforce existing laws could do wonders.
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Actually back round checks are required only by FFL holders- and only with their factory purchased firearms. Define slightest blemish because that simply isn't true.

'PRIVATE' sales back round checks are not standard and seldom if ever done. As far as enforcing existing laws, I agree- expand the ATF auditors AND drop the crippling standards of investigation no other federal agency operates under and you may be on track....
 
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