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Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

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Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?
 
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?
What would satisify you. What do you ultimately want to see happen?

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Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?

Hopefully, they pass a law outlawing gun control. We already have one, but I reckon we need two.
 
short answer: "NO"
Of course Trump backtracks on gun reform. He lacks the courage.
By Editorial Board August 20 at 7:35 PM
FOR A moment, it seemed as though what was usually assumed in Washington could no longer be taken for granted. President Trump was promising “very meaningful background checks” in the wake of two gruesome mass shootings. He insisted that congressional Republicans would “lead the charge” for new gun legislation, which would have been a tectonic shift in the politics of guns that only sustained pressure from a figure such as Mr. Trump could possibly have produced.

Then the hope faded. Speaking to reporters on Sunday, the president cooled on background checks, insisted that he is “very concerned with the Second Amendment” and repeated shopworn Republican talking points. “It’s the people that pull the trigger. It’s not the gun that pulls the trigger,” he said. “They have bipartisan committees working on background checks and various other things. And we’ll see. I don’t want people to forget that this is a mental-health problem. I don’t want them to forget that because it is. It’s a mental-health problem.”

Reporters asked him to clarify his stance on support for universal background checks. “I’m not saying anything,” he said. “I’m saying Congress is going to be reporting back to me with ideas. And they’ll come in from Democrats and Republicans. And I’ll look at it very strongly. But just remember, we already have a lot of background checks, okay?” ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...5a42d8-c2b4-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
 
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?

It seems to me that Trump called for "intelligent background checks" after those shootings. I don't know what Mitch has called for.

Trump calls for 'intelligent background checks' in response to mass shootings | TheHill

But the gun grabbers are stuck on "universal background checks" and that's what Trump has said he won't go for.

I don't know...maybe the gun grabbers can come up with some intelligent background checks and see if Trump will go for them. It could happen, I guess.
 
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?

It's not a gun control issue. It's not a mental health issue. It's a culture of violence issue. And it won't be solved in one or several generations. You all just have to find ways to live with it.
 
congress does not have the power-under the commerce clause-to impose background checks on activity that is limited-by federal law-as only INTRA-state activity. Private citizens are banned from buying or selling firearms across state lines. Dealers-Because their license allows them to operate in interstate commerce-ie receiving firearms across state lines-meet the expanded definition of interstate commerce that the FDR administration created. Thus, Congress currently has the constitutional authority to require FFLs to conduct background checks. FFLs have a federally mandated duty to keep precise records of all firearms they receive and how they dispose of them. Thus, federal investigatory agents can determine if a dealer has performed a background check for firearms that the agents know the dealer received, because wholesalers or makers also keep records of firearms shipped to FFL retail dealers.

Private citizens have no such record keeping duties nor does congress have the proper power to demand such record keeping. Universal background checks-as the Obama DOJ noted, cannot be enforced without that record keeping. UBGCs have no value in preventing crime.

Many Liberals want UBGCs because they won't work and when they don't, liberal gun banners can claim it is because registration of all firearms isn't in place
 
What would satisify you. What do you ultimately want to see happen?

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I would like universal background checks for sure. I would like the banning of any semi-automatic that can either be converted to full auto or accept a magazine holding more than 15 rounds. That would allow hunters and those who want them for home security to have semi's if they wish and try and keep guns out of the hands of those who would use them for mass murder.
 
I would like universal background checks for sure. I would like the banning of any semi-automatic that can either be converted to full auto or accept a magazine holding more than 15 rounds. That would allow hunters and those who want them for home security to have semi's if they wish and try and keep guns out of the hands of those who would use them for mass murder.

you demonstrate how little you understand about firearms with that silliness. You want to ban any firearm that accepts a magazine.
 
It's not a gun control issue. It's not a mental health issue. It's a culture of violence issue. And it won't be solved in one or several generations. You all just have to find ways to live with it.

Or if you are not lucky you get to die with it.
 
A 100% ban on gun ownership.

Now that is one stupid post. I know of no poll that shows that a majority of people want to outlaw weapons, but a vast majority want universal back ground checks but the NRA tells the politico's no, and that is that .
 
I would like universal background checks for sure. I would like the banning of any semi-automatic that can either be converted to full auto or accept a magazine holding more than 15 rounds. That would allow hunters and those who want them for home security to have semi's if they wish and try and keep guns out of the hands of those who would use them for mass murder.
I disagree with you but ty for giving me a straight answer.

The biggest issue i have with your position is that slmost all guns are semi-automatic


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you demonstrate how little you understand about firearms with that silliness. You want to ban any firearm that accepts a magazine.

No, I want to ban any weapon capable of accepting magazines larger than 15 rounds. There are many hunting rifles that have magazines holding up to but no more than 15 rounds. Right now you can buy 100 round drum magazines. Perfect for use by mass murders, just ask the guy in Dayton. I even found out you can now buy 100 round drum magazines that will fit some automatic pistols. Isn't that wonderful.
 
Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?

Thank Goodness we have the NRA to counter all the knee jerk gun grabber reactions!
 
I disagree with you but ty for giving me a straight answer.

The biggest issue i have with your position is that slmost all guns are semi-automatic


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Actually not. There are lever action or bolt action rifles. There are a few pump action, but those are mostly shotguns. Until lately there were few rifles sold that were semiautomatic except hunting rifles. Lately the semi's are almost all AR-15 style which as one GOPer on line said I have hunted for 17 years and never shot 15 deer in a row.
 
No, I want to ban any weapon capable of accepting magazines larger than 15 rounds. There are many hunting rifles that have magazines holding up to but no more than 15 rounds. Right now you can buy 100 round drum magazines. Perfect for use by mass murders, just ask the guy in Dayton. I even found out you can now buy 100 round drum magazines that will fit some automatic pistols. Isn't that wonderful.

I am laughing at how ignorant you are of firearms. This is beyond idiotic. If it accepts a magazine than it can accept a larger one. EVERY MODERN semi auto pistol on the market for example.
 
Actually not. There are lever action or bolt action rifles. There are a few pump action, but those are mostly shotguns. Until lately there were few rifles sold that were semiautomatic except hunting rifles. Lately the semi's are almost all AR-15 style which as one GOPer on line said I have hunted for 17 years and never shot 15 deer in a row.

don't count the several hundred thousand MI carbines and several hundred thousand (minimum) MI Garands that our own government sold to us Civilians (I have 5 of each-most came from the Dept of Civilian marksmanship before it was converted to the private CMP by the Clinton administration) . and don't count the 20 million or so semi automatic rimfire rifles such as the Ruger 10-22 etc
 
Thank Goodness we have the NRA to counter all the knee jerk gun grabber reactions!

Apparently your ideas do not match your name. You seem happy with all of the mass killings going on in this country. Over 250 since the first of the year. That is what you are saying with your comment. what does the NRA say, "it is the price we pay for our freedoms". Hopefully no one in your family ever has to pay that price. Do not say it will never happen to you, that is what all of the people who have been killed in these mass shootings probably said before they were shot.
 
Hopefully, they pass a law outlawing gun control. We already have one, but I reckon we need two.

Or maybe three. :lamo
 
don't count the several hundred thousand MI carbines and several hundred thousand (minimum) MI Garands that our own government sold to us Civilians (I have 5 of each-most came from the Dept of Civilian marksmanship before it was converted to the private CMP by the Clinton administration) . and don't count the 20 million or so semi automatic rimfire rifles such as the Ruger 10-22 etc

An MI Garand has a clip carrying 8 shots before you have to reload. You can not get larger clips for that weapon. The carbine can hold 15 rounds.
 
Or maybe three. :lamo

That is just what the NRA and the gun makers want. Run out and buy, buy buy. I remember when Obama was elected and the NRA told you all to buy ammo before Obama took away the right. Hunters could not get ammo for hunting as you fools ran out and bought it all. Walmart actually had to put up a sign saying they were out and did not know when they would get more. The gug and ammo makers were laughing at you all the way to the bank.
 
Apparently your ideas do not match your name. You seem happy with all of the mass killings going on in this country. Over 250 since the first of the year. That is what you are saying with your comment. what does the NRA say, "it is the price we pay for our freedoms". Hopefully no one in your family ever has to pay that price. Do not say it will never happen to you, that is what all of the people who have been killed in these mass shootings probably said before they were shot.

More ignorant nonsense : most of those mass killings are not cases where an active shooter goes nuts and kills people at random. The vast majority of them are gang related or -as is the case near my home-where a guy-mad over his wife's actions of filing for divorce-shot her and three more members of her family. What the NRA says is this

Punish people who use firearms to harm others
punish felons who possess firearms
punish people who intentionally supply criminals with weapons

while people such as you want to harass lawful gun owners for political reasons.

statistically, dying in a random act of mass shooting is extremely rare-California-in 30 years, has had about 142 deaths through real mass shootings. That's less than 5 people a year. Gun banners are howling about these massacres since they get lots of publicity, without noting that most of the gunshot murders in the USA take place in less than a half dozen COUNTIES-all of which are run by Democrats
 
That is just what the NRA and the gun makers want. Run out and buy, buy buy. I remember when Obama was elected and the NRA told you all to buy ammo before Obama took away the right. Hunters could not get ammo for hunting as you fools ran out and bought it all. Walmart actually had to put up a sign saying they were out and did not know when they would get more. The gug and ammo makers were laughing at you all the way to the bank.

Who are you calling a fool? Irony.
I don't even own a gun. I can assure you that I do not fit the echo chamber stereotype.
 
I would like universal background checks for sure. I would like the banning of any semi-automatic that can either be converted to full auto or accept a magazine holding more than 15 rounds. That would allow hunters and those who want them for home security to have semi's if they wish and try and keep guns out of the hands of those who would use them for mass murder.

Once again look at the FBI UCR stats for murder. Rifles to include so called assault rifles/semi auto are used in about <1% of murders....

Rifles 2012-298 2013-285 2014-258 2015- 258 2016-374

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

How about putting people in jail for a very long time when they use a firearm in the commission of a felony! The shooter in Philly who shot 6 police officers had been arrested over 12 times with multiple times for firearms violations... Why was he walking the streets.
He was prohibited from owning or possessing any firearm. Send him to jail and stop going after lawful gun owners by trying to ban guns!!
 
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