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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    don't count the several hundred thousand MI carbines and several hundred thousand (minimum) MI Garands that our own government sold to us Civilians (I have 5 of each-most came from the Dept of Civilian marksmanship before it was converted to the private CMP by the Clinton administration) . and don't count the 20 million or so semi automatic rimfire rifles such as the Ruger 10-22 etc
    An MI Garand has a clip carrying 8 shots before you have to reload. You can not get larger clips for that weapon. The carbine can hold 15 rounds.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Or maybe three.
    That is just what the NRA and the gun makers want. Run out and buy, buy buy. I remember when Obama was elected and the NRA told you all to buy ammo before Obama took away the right. Hunters could not get ammo for hunting as you fools ran out and bought it all. Walmart actually had to put up a sign saying they were out and did not know when they would get more. The gug and ammo makers were laughing at you all the way to the bank.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

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    Apparently your ideas do not match your name. You seem happy with all of the mass killings going on in this country. Over 250 since the first of the year. That is what you are saying with your comment. what does the NRA say, "it is the price we pay for our freedoms". Hopefully no one in your family ever has to pay that price. Do not say it will never happen to you, that is what all of the people who have been killed in these mass shootings probably said before they were shot.
    More ignorant nonsense : most of those mass killings are not cases where an active shooter goes nuts and kills people at random. The vast majority of them are gang related or -as is the case near my home-where a guy-mad over his wife's actions of filing for divorce-shot her and three more members of her family. What the NRA says is this

    Punish people who use firearms to harm others
    punish felons who possess firearms
    punish people who intentionally supply criminals with weapons

    while people such as you want to harass lawful gun owners for political reasons.

    statistically, dying in a random act of mass shooting is extremely rare-California-in 30 years, has had about 142 deaths through real mass shootings. That's less than 5 people a year. Gun banners are howling about these massacres since they get lots of publicity, without noting that most of the gunshot murders in the USA take place in less than a half dozen COUNTIES-all of which are run by Democrats
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    That is just what the NRA and the gun makers want. Run out and buy, buy buy. I remember when Obama was elected and the NRA told you all to buy ammo before Obama took away the right. Hunters could not get ammo for hunting as you fools ran out and bought it all. Walmart actually had to put up a sign saying they were out and did not know when they would get more. The gug and ammo makers were laughing at you all the way to the bank.
    Who are you calling a fool? Irony.
    I don't even own a gun. I can assure you that I do not fit the echo chamber stereotype.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I would like universal background checks for sure. I would like the banning of any semi-automatic that can either be converted to full auto or accept a magazine holding more than 15 rounds. That would allow hunters and those who want them for home security to have semi's if they wish and try and keep guns out of the hands of those who would use them for mass murder.
    Once again look at the FBI UCR stats for murder. Rifles to include so called assault rifles/semi auto are used in about <1% of murders....

    Rifles 2012-298 2013-285 2014-258 2015- 258 2016-374

    FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

    How about putting people in jail for a very long time when they use a firearm in the commission of a felony! The shooter in Philly who shot 6 police officers had been arrested over 12 times with multiple times for firearms violations... Why was he walking the streets.
    He was prohibited from owning or possessing any firearm. Send him to jail and stop going after lawful gun owners by trying to ban guns!!
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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    That is just what the NRA and the gun makers want. Run out and buy, buy buy. I remember when Obama was elected and the NRA told you all to buy ammo before Obama took away the right. Hunters could not get ammo for hunting as you fools ran out and bought it all. Walmart actually had to put up a sign saying they were out and did not know when they would get more. The gug and ammo makers were laughing at you all the way to the bank.
    People like you are why many folks go out and buy guns. Every time there is a massacre-people like you start screaming for gun bans. I know what was going on at Walmart since the ATF agents told me.

    Walmart would receive shipments of 22 ammo say on Wed. Morning. WALMART employees were buying the ammo. Hoarding it. Customers would arrive at Walmart and find no ammo. So they would go to say gun shows where the same Walmart employees were scalping the ammo and buy it at inflated prices. I had no problems getting ammo -because I am a VIP customer at two different retailers. They know I am a prominent competitive shooter and I was not buying ammo to hoard for sale but to use. Plus, the owners of those establishments didn't let their employees buy any more 22 than other customers could. I also buy in bulk so I had plenty of Ammo so I didn't have to pay inflated prices.

    Bottom line-if gun banners didn't engage in pavlovian howls for bans-there wouldn't be people buying the very guns that scare the gun banners the most
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More ignorant nonsense : most of those mass killings are not cases where an active shooter goes nuts and kills people at random. The vast majority of them are gang related or -as is the case near my home-where a guy-mad over his wife's actions of filing for divorce-shot her and three more members of her family. What the NRA says is this

    Punish people who use firearms to harm others
    punish felons who possess firearms
    punish people who intentionally supply criminals with weapons

    while people such as you want to harass lawful gun owners for political reasons.

    statistically, dying in a random act of mass shooting is extremely rare-California-in 30 years, has had about 142 deaths through real mass shootings. That's less than 5 people a year. Gun banners are howling about these massacres since they get lots of publicity, without noting that most of the gunshot murders in the USA take place in less than a half dozen COUNTIES-all of which are run by Democrats


    Yes Yes Yes!! Make the criminal responsible! Stop screwing with the legal gun owner!
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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    An MI Garand has a clip carrying 8 shots before you have to reload. You can not get larger clips for that weapon. The carbine can hold 15 rounds.
    and there are 30 round magazines for the MI carbine. And the prototype for both the BM 59 and the MI4 was a MI Garand that an enlisted man-serving in a tanker unit rigged to use a BAR 20 round magazine
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

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    Yes Yes Yes!! Make the criminal responsible! Stop screwing with the legal gun owner!
    gun banners only pretend its about crime-their real goal is harassing legal gun owners because many of us oppose their leftwing agendas
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Will Trump and Moscow Mitch do anything about gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Right after the two shootings in El Paso and Dayton we heard Trump say he would do something about gun control, mainly about background checks. Now he seems to be saying that after talking to the NRA we have enough background checks and it is all about mental illness. That does sound like the NRA's talking points. And McConnell has held up several bills that passed in the House concerning universal background checks. None of those yet have seen the light of day. So will either of the two ever do anything about the gun violence?
    They already sent their thoughts and prayers. What more can they do?

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