View Poll Results: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW

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  • Do not reduce speed limit and do not ban conceal carrying firearms

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Thread: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Finally you admit that guns kill people. But your statistics are way off.
    people use guns to shoot bullets that then kill people. few people are actually killed by guns. However, almost all gun deaths are intentional, almost all car deaths are not intentional.
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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    people use guns to shoot bullets that then kill people. few people are actually killed by guns. However, almost all gun deaths are intentional, almost all car deaths are not intentional.
    So you were making a sleight-of-hand? Intentional gun deaths don't count as gun deaths?
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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    No. They would never do that because it would crash the economy and is an incredibly dumb idea
    What's dumb about applying stricter penalties to driving violations, or further restrictions on the kind of car you can own? How would that crash the economy?

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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    What's dumb about applying stricter penalties to driving violations, or further restrictions on the kind of car you can own? How would that crash the economy?
    A 25 mph limit would bring our economy to a crashing halt. Come on man....think

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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    A 25 mph limit would bring our economy to a crashing halt. Come on man....think
    I didn't say anything about a 25 mph speed limit. So who needs to think. If you want to talk about a 25 mph speed limit crashing the economy, tell the OP, not me. If you want to respond to me, then respond to what I said.

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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I didn't say anything about a 25 mph speed limit. So who needs to think. If you want to talk about a 25 mph speed limit crashing the economy, tell the OP, not me. If you want to respond to me, then respond to what I said.
    Then show us the specific details of the plan you want and I will be happy to comment on it

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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Then show us the specific details of the plan you want and I will be happy to comment on it
    You really have a problem with reading comprehension, don't you? When did I say that I have a plan that I want? You could try commenting on what I actually wrote if you're that bored.

    But now that you mention it, this is a forum about gun control, and there's no doubt that you favor more gun control, so give us your "plan".

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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    You really have a problem with reading comprehension, don't you? When did I say that I have a plan that I want? You could try commenting on what I actually wrote if you're that bored.

    But now that you mention it, this is a forum about gun control, and there's no doubt that you favor more gun control, so give us your "plan".
    Wow. So angry. And so unwilling to give us your plan. I can only assume you have the gop plan.


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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
    For the United States:
    Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
    An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
    Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
    Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
    Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
    Road Safety Facts — Association for Safe International Road Travel

    Tens of thousands of deaths, thousands of children killed, over 2 million injured or disabled, costing hundreds of billions of dollars - EVERY YEAR!!!

    Do any of you doubt there are thousands, tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of totally incompetent drivers out there. Licensing them, testing their driving, licensing and inspecting their cars, and regulating cars for safety - and still massive death counts, injury counts and economic lose anyway.

    How many people each year are killed or injured by concealed carry firearms and what are the costs of CCWers? Virtually none.

    So why isn't the demand to reduce the speed limit to 25 mph? There is no constitutional right to drive a car. 25 mph will get you where you are going - it would just take a few more minutes. For distance you could fly, take a bus - or take your time.

    Why is saving 30 minutes a day MORE important to you than the truly massive death and injury carnage even overwhelming exceeding war deaths - particularly of children and young people - while you demand banning Conceal Carry of a firearm - that statistically is almost devoid of any injuries and deaths - and it is known the mere appearance of a firearm deters tens of thousands - if not more - felony crimes and assaults per year?

    For those of you who want conceal carry banned, how do you justify this unless you also support reducing the speed limit to 25 mph - which would save MANY, MANY times more lives and prevent overwhelmingly more injuries, not even counting the massive annual economic costs?

    Do your REALLY care about saving lives - or just fear and/or hate guns and want to force everyone else to live to your fear and/or hate?
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    ver 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
    An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
    Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
    Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
    Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
    False premise. It's not an either or question. Millions are already spent on minimising the death toll from road accidents. Guns are designed to kill or maim.
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    Re: Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph versus banning CCW - which saves more lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You falsely claimed that the motivation for gun safety laws is not saving lives, didn't you?
    If the motivation for gun safety laws is to save lives than it doesn't make sense to want to ban CCW as a gun safety law since practically nobody is killed by a CCW carrier, except criminals.

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