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Define assault weapon

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vegas giants said:
Exactly where do you get your definition?
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I don’t believe there is a meaningful definition for “assault weapon.” Every law defines them differently, it’s not a military term. It’s a vague term used much the same way as “energy” and “toxins” are used by scam artist for fake health claims.
 
pinqy said:
I don’t believe there is a meaningful definition for “assault weapon.” Every law defines them differently, it’s not a military term. It’s a vague term used much the same way as “energy” and “toxins” are used by scam artist for fake health claims.
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Actually the federal definition was quite specific
 
TurtleDude said:
why do leftist gun haters use a term "assault" which clearly is not relevant to semi automatic firearms?
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They don't understand that assault is an actin by the person. They cannot comprehend that a baseball bat can be a tool to play a game and can also be used as a weapon to commit assault. They cannot understand how a steak knife can be used as cutlery or as a weapon. Same knife it is the person that is the problem.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
They don't understand that assault is an actin by the person. They cannot comprehend that a baseball bat can be a tool to play a game and can also be used as a weapon to commit assault. They cannot understand how a steak knife can be used as cutlery or as a weapon. Same knife it is the person that is the problem.
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Come on we all know hunks of metal and plastic have mythical satanic powers that take over ones minds and force them to commit horrendous acts agianst their will. A lot of gun banners positions are equivalent to a modern day version of Refer Madness.
 
vegas giants said:
Actually the federal definition was quite specific
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Then post it. Not the link to it. Copy and paste it for us all to see.

Less than a minutes effort. Shouldn't be too hard.
 
KevinKohler said:
Then post it. Not the link to it. Copy and paste it for us all to see.

Less than a minutes effort. Shouldn't be too hard.
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If it is less than a minutes effort....why do you need me?
 
mrjurrs said:
Whatever, and I think the government should take your guns. I'm in if you are.
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All of them? So you are for a complete repeal on the 2nd amendment?
 
vegas giants said:
Actually the federal definition was quite specific
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Not really. It had a list of models, which wouldn’t be needed for a definition, there were different definitions for what was considered an assault weapon depending on whether it was a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, and 2 out of three properties is not a specific definition. Removing one feature unrelated to performance of the weapon could change its status. Unless it was on the list, in which case it could have none of the features in the definition but still be an assault weapon.

A detachable magazine was an assault weapon feature in a shotgun, but not rifle or pistol. A magazine outside the grip was an assault weapon feature for a pistol but not a rifle or shotgun. Same thing with barrel shrouds.

And state definitions are different. Are you saying the federal definition is more definitive than state definitions?
 
vegas giants said:
If it is less than a minutes effort....why do you need me?
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You provided the link the last time. I don't know where you found it, but I'm guessing you do. And since there are likely multiple sources that differ, id prefer you to provide yours, so you can't simply rebuke anything I might supply as not being "correct".
 
pinqy said:
Not really. It was a list of models, which wouldn’t be needed for a definition, there were different definitions for what was considered an assault weapon depending on whether it was a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, and 2 out of three properties is not a specific definition. Removing one feature unrelated to performance of the weapon could change its status. Unless it was on the list, in which case it could have none of the features in the definition but still be an assault weapon.

A detachable magazine was an assault weapon feature in a shotgun, but not rifle or pistol. A magazine outside the grip was an assault weapon feature for a pistol but not a rifle or shotgun. Same thing with barrel shrouds.

And state definitions are different. Are you saying the federal definition is more definitive than state definitions?
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I am saying each state and the federal government are free to define it as they wish. But the federal definition if it is in effect takes precedence. And it was quite clear. You may disagree with it but it was quite clear
 
KevinKohler said:
You provided the link the last time. I don't know where you found it, but I'm guessing you do. And since there are likely multiple sources that differ, id prefer you to provide yours, so you can't simply rebuke anything I might supply as not being "correct".
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Anything else I can get for you? Maybe a sandwich?
 
vegas giants said:
I am saying each state and the federal government are free to define it as they wish. But the federal definition if it is in effect takes precedence. And it was quite clear. You may disagree with it but it was quite clear
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Here is the definition:
The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means—
‘‘(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as—
‘‘(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
‘‘(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
Galil;
‘‘(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC–70);
‘‘(iv) Colt AR–15;
‘‘(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
‘‘(vi) SWD M–10, M–11, M–11/9, and M–12;
‘‘(vii) Steyr AUG;
‘‘(viii) INTRATEC TEC–9, TEC–DC9 and TEC–22; and ‘‘(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar
to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
‘‘(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
‘‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
‘‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
‘‘(iii) a bayonet mount;
‘‘(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
‘‘(v) a grenade launcher;
‘‘(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept
a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
‘‘(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
outside of the pistol grip;
‘‘(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; ‘‘(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or com- pletely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned;
‘‘(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when
the pistol is unloaded; and
‘‘(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;
and
‘‘(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of—
‘‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
‘‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
‘‘(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
‘‘(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.


So whether something was an assault weapon or not depended on who made it, sometimes which model, and which combination of features depending on whether it was a rifle, pistol, or shotgun.

Compare that to the definition of “assault rifle:”Assault rifle, military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.”
assault rifle | Definition, Examples, Facts, & History | Britannica.com

Assault rifle is a specific term, assault weapon is very vague.
 
pinqy said:
Here is the definition:
The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means—
‘‘(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as—
‘‘(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
‘‘(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
Galil;
‘‘(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC–70);
‘‘(iv) Colt AR–15;
‘‘(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
‘‘(vi) SWD M–10, M–11, M–11/9, and M–12;
‘‘(vii) Steyr AUG;
‘‘(viii) INTRATEC TEC–9, TEC–DC9 and TEC–22; and ‘‘(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar
to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
‘‘(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
‘‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
‘‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
‘‘(iii) a bayonet mount;
‘‘(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
‘‘(v) a grenade launcher;
‘‘(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept
a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—
‘‘(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
outside of the pistol grip;
‘‘(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; ‘‘(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or com- pletely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned;
‘‘(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when
the pistol is unloaded; and
‘‘(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;
and
‘‘(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of—
‘‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
‘‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
‘‘(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
‘‘(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.


So whether something was an assault weapon or not depended on who made it, sometimes which model, and which combination of features depending on whether it was a rifle, pistol, or shotgun.

Compare that to the definition of “assault rifle:”Assault rifle, military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.”
assault rifle | Definition, Examples, Facts, & History | Britannica.com

Assault rifle is a specific term, assault weapon is very vague.
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It's not vague at all. You just gave a very specific definition for it
 
KevinKohler said:
All of them? So you are for a complete repeal on the 2nd amendment?
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That was more in response to the previous poster, but yes, I'd be completely okay with a repeal. That wouldn't outlaw guns, but it could allow for registration and liability requirements.
 
vegas giants said:
It's not vague at all. You just gave a very specific definition for it
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No its not. And frankly, it was dropped, because manufacturers easily worked around it. That thing literally stopped nothing, saved no lies, kept nothing "off the streets".
 
mrjurrs said:
That was more in response to the previous poster, but yes, I'd be completely okay with a repeal. That wouldn't outlaw guns, but it could allow for registration and liability requirements.
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So you would have guns be treated like cars.

Any type of gun?
 
vegas giants said:
It's not vague at all. You just gave a very specific definition for it
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The term is vague if it needs such a detailed definition. Is it an assault weapon if it has a pistol grip and detachable magazine? It depends. Is it an assault weapon if it has a magazine outside the grip? It depends. Everything is “it depends.” The term is vague and the state definitions are not just slightly different, but strongly so.
 
pinqy said:
The term is vague if it needs such a detailed definition. Is it an assault weapon if it has a pistol grip and detachable magazine? It depends. Is it an assault weapon if it has a magazine outside the grip? It depends. Everything is “it depends.” The term is vague and the state definitions are not just slightly different, but strongly so.
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It is quite as clear as many legal definitions. You should read sec regulations
 
mrjurrs said:
oh so that is why these things occur (in your fantasyland)
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not fantasy at all-reality. speaking of fantasies-have you been able to figure out what makes "assault weapons" more deadly than other semi autos?
 
mrjurrs said:
When the definition includes the words semi-automatic, I would say the term is used because it is correct.
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so what makes a semi automatic firearm useful for military assault?
 
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