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Define assault weapon

haymarket said:
So we disagree.

I am sure the law will define what weapons they have in mind.
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I hope so. Their last one was a mess, did a piss poor job, which resulted in every state having to set their own deal...
 
haymarket said:
Because it is a basic right of society to have the environment people want to live in.
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Unless, of course, that upsets some folks and they run to a judge to get that law deemed unconstitutional.
 
haymarket said:
I have no doubt at all that the potential law can define such matters.
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But what is being defined? There are multiple laws, from the defunct federal ban to multiple state laws. None are quite the same. So what is the concept, the idea, behind the bans, and do the definitions make any sense in that regard? I’m not seeing it
 
lurchadams said:
Weapons designed to kill multiple people in a short period of time such as weapons issued to the military. There is no reason for these type of weapons to be in the hands of private citizens.

It's that simple.
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well that starts out with a lie and if that is true, why are civilian police using them?
 
KevinKohler said:
Um, ok.


Which weapons, and why those specific weapons?
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Which part of scary and black is confusing to you? Anyone can tell by looking at a gun if it seems to be "military style" to them. It's like pornography - folks simply know it when they see it. After all, the words "militia" and "security" obviously meant that the 2A was intended to apply only to arms intended for sporting and recreational purposes - look it up.
 
iguanaman said:
We can simply start with the weapons of choice for nearly all mass shooters of note in the last decade, the AR series of weapons. I also believe we should ban all rifles with removable magazines.
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why are you lying? most of the mass shootings used handguns including Va Tech, Ft Hood, Luby's of Texas, the Gifford shooting etc. when you spew nonsense like banning all rifles with removable magazines-even if they are used in less than 2% of murders-it shows that your goal is gun banning, not public safety
 
iguanaman said:
Yes and if you are not a member of a State approved militia you are not covered by the 2nd amendment period.
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you're lying-and there is not a single major league constitutional scholar, founder or supreme court decision that supports this idiocy.
 
Felis Leo said:
And if the Second Amendment said "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the members of said Militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed," you would certainly have me over a barrel, iguanaman.
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if he were correct than the CRUIKSHANK court, the founders and the early legal scholars (St George Tucker through Justice Story 80 years later) would not have noted that the second amendment was designed to recognize a RIGHT the FRAMERS believe existed since the dawn of man. How could such a right exist prior to GOVERNMENT if it required membership in a "well regulated militia" BEFORE VESTING?
 
TurtleDude said:
well that starts out with a lie and if that is true, why are civilian police using them?
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LEOs face threats far different from normal crime victims and LEOs are more often caught alone with no warning prior to being forced to enter dangerous situations. ;)
 
Chillfolks said:
Any weapon with automatic or selective fire that was issued by a government agency for the purpose of assaulting an enemy target should be considered an assault weapon.

Any semi automatic weapon purchased by a civilian should not.

I would be ok with banning high capacity magazines, those would be any magazine that increases the standard manufacturers magazine capacity by more than 5 rounds.
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civilian police are limited to using lethal force to the same extent other civilians are so limited. Why do police have fully automatic firearms then?
 
=MrWonka;1070492636]1.) Any weapon that would allow a person of average skill level to fire a deadly payload at a rate of more than about 12 rounds per minute.
That's the equivalent of two full six shooters. If you ever need to fire more than than in under a minute you're an incredibly ****ty hunter or you're probably not on the defensive.
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Where do you pull this 12 rounds per minute from? Two six shooters? What's with the hunting thing?And if you are on the defensive it's nice to out gun the offensive.
2.) Any weapon that is designed help a person of average skill level be accurate and lethal at a distance of more than 100 yards.
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So none of your hunting out past 100 yards?
There's really no defensive reason why you would ever need to hit a target that's more than 100 yards away from you. If you're a hunter, you're not shooting at anything that far away either.
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Sharps rifle:Effective range of 500 yards to a max. of 1000 also single shot 1840s-1880s
3.) Any weapon or modification that is designed to improve conceal-ability.
This obviously causes an issue with hand guns. I would like to see a requirement that all guns or at least hand guns be required to be painted blaze orange or bright pink at the time of manufacture. I would also like to do away with conceal and carry and replace it with an open carry requirement so that if you want to carry a gun legally in public it must be visible at all times.
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There would be an awful lot of guns being open carried. And the point of the pretty paint job is to do what?
"it must be visible at all times"unless your a criminal in which case it would be concealed. Ever wonder how many people are in front or behind you at checkout counters that are carrying concealed that you have no clue about? Hell there's probably been a few open carry in plain sight you didn't see. Little something to make you wonder.
 
pinqy said:
That eliminates everything but muzzleloaders. It doesn't take particular skill to fire 1 shot every 5 seconds even with a single shot pistol or rifle.


I am not particularly skilled with my revolver, but I can certainly fire more than 12 shots in a minute, even without a speedloader. You're making a qualitative judgement which cannot possibly be true for all ciRcumstances.


So now you've eliminated even muzzleloader rifles


You already eliminated all handguns a with your 12 shots/minute rule.
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He's completely ignorant of firearms.
 
TurtleDude said:
Its fun watching people who don't own or use guns-nor want others to do so-telling us what those firearms can be used for
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What do you use yours for turtle? None of it is recreational or only to shoot intruders?
 
mrjurrs said:
If you could legitimately use it for hunting, skeet shooting etc.
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Two of the most popular competitive shooting disciplines use 25 shot semi auto pistols and 30 shot semi auto rifles.
 
mrjurrs said:
If I'm not mistaken, AR-15 projects a speed and size projectile that renders most prey unusable. I'd be interested in seeing the times it was used as self-defense compared to offensively and if you're just plinking with it the only reason you couldn't use a single shot .22 might have to do with compensating for other issues. All guns are evil, the reason they were made was to make killing easier.
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You are mistaken. and your all guns are evil sort of disqualifies your opinions as having any merit in this debate.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
LEOs face threats far different from normal crime victims and LEOs are more often caught alone with no warning prior to being forced to enter dangerous situations. ;)
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what? that makes no sense
 
bongsaway said:
What do you use yours for turtle? None of it is recreational or only to shoot intruders?
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I have won over 400 shooting events. all kinds of shooting events. Some of my guns are for self defense. some are for skeet shooting (several time all-American, JO national champion), ISU trap shooting (2X state Champion, collegiate silver medal), USPSA pistol (Class A-current equivalent is grand master), "Pin Shooting" (set national record), steel plate shooting, 3 position small bore rifle, NRA Service Rifle (using those scary looking AR 15s and before that the scary Looking MIAI), 3G (using scary looking handguns, shotguns and rifles) among other things.
 
mrjurrs said:
If I'm not mistaken, AR-15 projects a speed and size projectile that renders most prey unusable. I'd be interested in seeing the times it was used as self-defense compared to offensively and if you're just plinking with it the only reason you couldn't use a single shot .22 might have to do with compensating for other issues. All guns are evil, the reason they were made was to make killing easier.
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You have been reading the wrong play book, yes you are very much mistaken.
 
TurtleDude said:
civilian police are limited to using lethal force to the same extent other civilians are so limited. Why do police have fully automatic firearms then?
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I'm ok with restricting to semi autos
 
Any gun the liberal democrats don't like.
 
Chillfolks said:
I'm ok with restricting to semi autos
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my bright line common sense view-if civilian cops can use it in CIVILIAN neighborhoods, etc, than lawful CIVILIANS ought to be able to own the same or similar firearms in their homes for lawful use in emergencies or on proper ranges etc
 
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