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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes and if you are not a member of a State approved militia you are not covered by the 2nd amendment period.
    Hmm... is that what you think the Heller vs. DC ruling was affirming?

    District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's Right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia...
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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... is that what you think the Heller vs. DC ruling was affirming?
    The SC has got it wrong for a very long time.
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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    That's it. Simple. This is a thread for both gun nuts and gun haters to posit and work put exactly what an assault weapon is.

    Full auto, semi auto, bolt action, flint lock? How many rounds per minute? Magazine capacity? Barrel length? Caliber?
    A thing which has a primary purpose of initiating harm. Assault weapon does not refer only to firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The SC has got it wrong for a very long time.
    When you get before the SCOTUS be sure to point that out to them.
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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are there not experts in this matter who will write the definitions into the bill?

    Isn't this just a pretty lame excuse for gun fanatics to pull the usual arguments about definitions and the inevitable "what about my favorite weapons that does the same thing" nonsense?
    Doubtlessly true that they would write those definitions in, haymarket. But my argument would not be "Well, what about this gun that does the same thing but is not as scary looking as an AR-15?" My argument is that the Second Amendment was designed to protect individual ownership of what we would now term military-grade small arms, for the purpose that citizens of the various states could form militias to protect their state and their country's freedom from foreign and domestic enemies. Nowhere in the Second Amendment is hunting, sport or personal home defense mentioned. With that in mind, a reasonable argument could be made for more strongly-regulating most concealable small-caliber handguns as many are not useful in the context of intensive military use. Though I am sure many of my fellow Second Amendment advocates would disagree with me.

    In my view, the proper argument from those who wish to wish to ban assault rifles or "assault weapons" as they are termed now, is to propose a Constitutional Amendment striking or modifying the Second Amendment, making the Second Amendment apply only to firearms useful for hunting and home defense. I am against this, naturally, but it is the most sound argument and best way forward for advocates of strong gun control.
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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Any weapon with automatic or selective fire that was issued by a government agency for the purpose of assaulting an enemy target should be considered an assault weapon.

    Any semi automatic weapon purchased by a civilian should not.

    I would be ok with banning high capacity magazines, those would be any magazine that increases the standard manufacturers magazine capacity by more than 5 rounds.

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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are there not experts in this matter who will write the definitions into the bill?

    Isn't this just a pretty lame excuse for gun fanatics to pull the usual arguments about definitions and the inevitable "what about my favorite weapons that does the same thing" nonsense?
    Except those definitions are usually a list of specific weapons, and then criteria of possessing certain characteristics, none of which have any relationship to the functioning of a weapon.

    The point is that "assault weapon" has no unique meaning.
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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    1.) Any weapon that would allow a person of average skill level to fire a deadly payload at a rate of more than about 12 rounds per minute.
    That eliminates everything but muzzleloaders. It doesn't take particular skill to fire 1 shot every 5 seconds even with a single shot pistol or rifle.

    That's the equivalent of two full six shooters. If you ever need to fire more than than in under a minute you're an incredibly ****ty hunter or you're probably not on the defensive.
    I am not particularly skilled with my revolver, but I can certainly fire more than 12 shots in a minute, even without a speedloader. You're making a qualitative judgement which cannot possibly be true for all ciRcumstances.

    2.) Any weapon that is designed help a person of average skill level be accurate and lethal at a distance of more than 100 yards.
    There's really no defensive reason why you would ever need to hit a target that's more than 100 yards away from you. If you're a hunter, you're not shooting at anything that far away either.
    So now you've eliminated even muzzleloader rifles

    3.) Any weapon or modification that is designed to improve conceal-ability.
    This obviously causes an issue with hand guns. I would like to see a requirement that all guns or at least hand guns be required to be painted blaze orange or bright pink at the time of manufacture. I would also like to do away with conceal and carry and replace it with an open carry requirement so that if you want to carry a gun legally in public it must be visible at all times.
    You already eliminated all handguns a with your 12 shots/minute rule.
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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    There are assault rifles.

    Then there are "assault weapons" which is a artificial political catch all for 'ugly guns'.
    Which is your opinion. I used the verbiage of assault weapon intentionally, because I want this definition to be on their terms.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Define assault weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    Weapons designed to kill multiple people in a short period of time such as weapons issued to the military. There is no reason for these type of weapons to be in the hands of private citizens.

    It's that simple.
    Weapons currently issued to the military, or any weapon ever put to military use?

    Its not simple, and as we go down the rabbit hole, I hope you start to see that.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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