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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    There are plenty of nations that are just as free and wealthy as the US, that don't have nearly the murder rate we have.
    They have common sense gun control

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    They have common sense gun control
    Yeah, just like Russia and Mexico.

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    America is tribal. Far more different groups here than in other developed countries. We are programed to compete against each other. Politicians and the media hype the differences. Makes for better ratings and larger political donations. We also have a sense of entitlement. Your unhappiness, your failures, are not your fault. Society holds you down. You are entitled to grab what you can, regardless of the harm done to others. And for a long period there wasn't much law in this country, so people took it upon themselves to defend themselves against the criminal element. Self-defense became a personal responsibility. It had to. Still is. This meant both sides got armed. And here we are.

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    Yeah, just like Russia and Mexico.
    And they have corruption. Is that the best we can be....Russia or Mexico? Aim a little higher

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    And they have corruption. Is that the best we can be....Russia or Mexico? Aim a little higher
    We have corruption too. But when it comes to murder, we are also in much better shape than they are, a factor of 2 for Russian, and a factor of 5 versus Mexico.

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    We have corruption too. But when it comes to murder, we are also in much better shape than they are, a factor of 2 for Russian, and a factor of 5 versus Mexico.
    To suggest we have corruption even close to what they have is to deny reality

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    To suggest we have corruption even close to what they have is to deny reality
    I didn't suggest that. To suggest that our level of corruption would have to be the same as Mexico's in order for it to account in part for the fact that we have one-fifth the murder rate of Mexico, is to deny reality.

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I didn't suggest that. To suggest that our level of corruption would have to be the same as Mexico's in order for it to account in part for the fact that we have one-fifth the murder rate of Mexico, is to deny reality.
    Dude if the drug cartels ate free to have any arms they want and can kill anyone they want because the government is paid off....what good are gun laws

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Dude if the drug cartels ate free to have any arms they want and can kill anyone they want because the government is paid off....what good are gun laws
    Indeed, and if we live in a country with a porous border with a country where "drug cartels ate free to have any arms they want and can kill anyone they want because the government is paid off" and our city streets are largely run by people who work for those same drug cartels...."what good are gun laws?"

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    Re: Is one of the prices of freedom and wealth of a nation a higher murder rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    Indeed, and if we live in a country with a porous border with a country where "drug cartels ate free to have any arms they want and can kill anyone they want because the government is paid off" and our city streets are largely run by people who work for those same drug cartels...."what good are gun laws?"
    I guess you live in Mexico.

    That's not the US

    Ask el chapo

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