Have you ever shot an AR15?

joko104 said:

I have no problem with a person being afraid of guns - and if so don't have one.

The problem is when they want THEIR fear to control ME - and in their fear endangering my family, others around me and myself.

If you are afraid to drive a car - and many people are - don't drive a car. That fear does not justify demanding banning all cars - though cars are vastly more danger than guns - nor demand the speed limit be reduced to 20 mph because YES that would save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries.

If the maximum speed limit was 20 mph worldwide it would save about a million lives a year - literally. It would save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries per year just in the USA. Any of you wanting CCW banned?

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What the anti-American leftists never bother to mention is that ~2.5 million crimes per year are stopped by law-abiding gun owners. Firearms saves more lives than are taken, and prevents more crimes than are committed each year. Which is why any form of gun control always results in increases in the crime rate.

joko104 said:

I have no problem with a person being afraid of guns - and if so don't have one.

The problem is when they want THEIR fear to control ME - and in their fear endangering my family, others around me and myself.

If you are afraid to drive a car - and many people are - don't drive a car. That fear does not justify demanding banning all cars - though cars are vastly more danger than guns - nor demand the speed limit be reduced to 20 mph because YES that would save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries.

If the maximum speed limit was 20 mph worldwide it would save about a million lives a year - literally. It would save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries per year just in the USA. Any of you wanting CCW banned?

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Personal opinion noted and dismissed.

I am prior military and leo. I have fired weapons you have probably only seen pics of. I have a ar 15 and 9mm

And I am for gun control

joko104 said:

This and the prior message demonstrates my "intellect" is significantly higher than yours. It also indicated you are likely a reclusive person for which this Internet is your life. Here on this forum you can declare yourself of superior intellect - such massive brain power you can stop bullets merely with your thought, something you dare not do in public unless you want to seem complete like a nutcase.

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If you want to lead your life as a scared rat, you go right a head.
I, on the other hand, choose to live my life o the fullest and without fear ruling me.

Knowing that the likelihood that a gun would save me or my family is less likely than being struck by lightning leaves me to choose to be against guns.

It;'s a calculated, reasoned decision on my part.

Your decision to own tons of guns is made on the fear emotion. Sad really.

noonereal said:

If you want to lead your life as a scared rat, you go right a head.
I, on the other hand, choose to live my life o the fullest and without fear ruling me.

Knowing that the likelihood that a gun would save me or my family is less likely than being struck by lightning leaves me to choose to be against guns.

It;'s a calculated, reasoned decision on my part.

Your decision to own tons of guns is made on the fear emotion. Sad really.

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There are 40 to 50 lightning deaths per year in the USA. But as Joe Biden, the Democratic Party front runner said, Democrats are no longer going to accept "facts." Neither do you - nor do you care it seems.

By your messages obviously you are terrified of guns. That's the point of your messages. It's your family to sacrifice on the alter of demanding only criminals and police have guns - a cause you decided they and you all have a duty to die - or anything else - done to them and you. By your messages you are hard core dedicated to "saving" no one - the corporate-fascist progressive peasant's duty to allow four family, yourself all other peasants to be robbed, beaten, raped, stabbed, tortured and murdered by anyone who wants to do so for the fun of it.

And to justify this you deny facts replacing them with absurdities such as claiming a person is more likely struck by lightning than being the victim a violent crime.

vegas giants said:

Personal opinion noted and dismissed.

I am prior military and leo. I have fired weapons you have probably only seen pics of. I have a ar 15 and 9mm

And I am for gun control

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If you were in the military you probably fired weapons I have only seen in pictures.

The largest I have fired is a 20mm. It was mine along with 6,000 belted rounds of armor piercing ammo, all that I bought for $25K. I was told it came out of a P47 Thunderbolt, but couldn't document that. It had then been mounted on a military trailer and gun mount suitable for it. I saw no use for it and sold it for a bit of a profit - the only reason I bought it in the first place.

I have a couple of 50 calibers. One was a sniper rifle used in the war in the Baltic and the other is a Browning tripod mounted. At some point I will sell those too. I inherited those. I have lots of military rifles and pistols - nearly all WW2 to Korean, a few from the Civil War and some UK colonizing wars. I am gradually selling off or trading some of that off too.

Do you claim the AR15 is the most lethal means for mass murder relatively easily available to murderous crazies? My claim is they are not.

BTW, the AR15 loaded with civilian ammo is NOT the same as an M16 with military issue ammo. The military 5.56 was designed to be unstable upon impact, causing it to spin and break apart causing a much wider wound and multiple erratic wound tracks making treatment in the field virtually impossible for the Viet Cong to treat before the wounded bled to death. Civilian ammo won't do that, plus the .223 is lower velocity and therefore less energy upon impact. In mass shootings, most completely escape and most who are shot are only wounded, not killed.

The myth that if rifles like the AR15 and high capacity magazine pistols are outlaws AND assuming this means a wannabe mass murderer can't get them, it is irrational to believe this also will cure all violent mental illness and violently psychologically disturbed people. It just means they will use other ways. For mass murder, firearms are only higher than knives in death count. ALL other methods have produced larger or massively larger death counts - and allow the mass murderer the ability to survive and be unknown. Mass shooters are always caught, killed or suicide out.

joko104 said:

If you were in the military you probably fired weapons I have only seen in pictures.

The largest I have fired is a 20mm. It was mine along with 6,000 belted rounds of armor piercing ammo, all that I bought for $25K. I was told it came out of a P47 Thunderbolt, but couldn't document that. It had then been mounted on a military trailer and gun mount suitable for it. I saw no use for it and sold it for a bit of a profit - the only reason I bought it in the first place.

I have a couple of 50 calibers. One was a sniper rifle used in the war in the Baltic and the other is a Browning tripod mounted. At some point I will sell those too. I inherited those. I have lots of military rifles and pistols - nearly all WW2 to Korean, a few from the Civil War and some UK colonizing wars. I am gradually selling off or trading some of that off too.

Do you claim the AR15 is the most lethal means for mass murder relatively easily available to murderous crazies? My claim is they are not.

BTW, the AR15 loaded with civilian ammo is NOT the same as an M16 with military issue ammo. The military 5.56 was designed to be unstable upon impact, causing it to spin and break apart causing a much wider wound and multiple erratic wound tracks making treatment in the field virtually impossible for the Viet Cong to treat before the wounded bled to death. Civilian ammo won't do that, plus the .223 is lower velocity and therefore less energy upon impact. In mass shootings, most completely escape and most who are shot are only wounded, not killed.

The myth that if rifles like the AR15 and high capacity magazine pistols are outlaws AND assuming this means a wannabe mass murderer can't get them, it is irrational to believe this also will cure all violent mental illness and violently psychologically disturbed people. It just means they will use other ways. For mass murder, firearms are only higher than knives in death count. ALL other methods have produced larger or massively larger death counts - and allow the mass murderer the ability to survive and be unknown. Mass shooters are always caught, killed or suicide out.

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small correction M193 ball ammo is easily available. What made the wounds more severe in Nam was that the issued M16 rifles had a 1x12 twist. Most sold now are between 1x7 (current military issue-needs that fast spin to work with tracer ammo) and 1x9. the 1x12 caused the FMJ Hague convention legal bullets to "yaw" when they hit flesh-ie they either tumbled or turned sideways

noonereal said:

Your decision to own tons of guns is made on the fear emotion. Sad really.

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In fact, I do have "tons" of guns and probably of ammo too - and other stuff like accessories (tripods, optics, magazines, just lots of stuff - 2 big U-Hauls full of stuff, including all his other personal stuff.) I inherited that as a surprise from a military weapons collecting military career father I do not recall ever meeting and probably never did, nor knew even his name or that he existed. He died (not combat related) while still in the Army and service records showed I was his only known surviving relative. So it all came my way, plus his insurance. Never saw that one coming.

So that night at the club, with a double shot of Wild Turkey Rare I toasted him. "Thanks, dad." (there was a bit of sarcasm, but also mixed with appreciation for having the decency to let his name be on the birth certificate and military records to bring this windfall my way.) The money paid for my first house - a gorgeous heavy cypress and stone at the edge of a woodland swamp fully furnished. I decided to keep all the military stuff until I could figure out what it was worth. Instead got into guns - but not military weapons: modern - and then antique firearms collecting. Most my firearms have gone up in value. Most used stuff doesn't.

joko104 said:

There are 40 to 50 lightning deaths per year in the USA. But as Joe Biden, the Democratic Party front runner said, Democrats are no longer going to accept "facts." Neither do you - nor do you care it seems.

By your messages obviously you are terrified of guns. That's the point of your messages. It's your family to sacrifice on the alter of demanding only criminals and police have guns - a cause you decided they and you all have a duty to die - or anything else - done to them and you. By your messages you are hard core dedicated to "saving" no one - the corporate-fascist progressive peasant's duty to allow four family, yourself all other peasants to be robbed, beaten, raped, stabbed, tortured and murdered by anyone who wants to do so for the fun of it.

And to justify this you deny facts replacing them with absurdities such as claiming a person is more likely struck by lightning than being the victim a violent crime.

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A rant, such as this, is not a good look.

But, as you can't mount an argument based on fact and reason, I guess it is all you can do.

Peace out

joko104 said:

In fact, I do have "tons" of guns and probably of ammo too - and other stuff like accessories (tripods, optics, magazines, just lots of stuff - 2 big U-Hauls full of stuff, including all his other personal stuff.) I inherited that as a surprise from a military weapons collecting military career father I do not recall ever meeting and probably never did, nor knew even his name or that he existed. He died (not combat related) while still in the Army and service records showed I was his only known surviving relative. So it all came my way, plus his insurance. Never saw that one coming.

So that night at the club, with a double shot of Wild Turkey Rare I toasted him. "Thanks, dad." (there was a bit of sarcasm, but also mixed with appreciation for having the decency to let his name be on the birth certificate and military records to bring this windfall my way.) The money paid for my first house - a gorgeous heavy cypress and stone at the edge of a woodland swamp fully furnished. I decided to keep all the military stuff until I could figure out what it was worth. Instead got into guns - but not military weapons: modern - and then antique firearms collecting. Most my firearms have gone up in value. Most used stuff doesn't.

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Well, this sounds special.

You chose to live on a swamp? WTF?

noonereal said:

A rant, such as this, is not a good look.

But, as you can't mount an argument based on fact and reason, I guess it is all you can do.

Peace out

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As you absurdly claim lightning strikes kill more people than guns - as you rant guns must be banned.

I've often noted that nearly all progressives diametrically contradict themselves on nearly any topic, even in the same thread or same message - as you did.

So you more fear lightning strikes than being killed by a gun, though it is over 500 times - 50,000% - more likely that you and anyone in your family will be killed by a gun - and that is excluding suicides).

So you're terrified of lightning, are you? Or does your "intellect" shield against electricity? :2razz:

joko104 said:

As you absurdly claim lightning strikes kill more people than guns -

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I never claimed any such thing. Lean to read.'

Stop replying to me unless you want to be honest.

Own one and have fired it. It takes practice.

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noonereal said:

Well, this sounds special.

You chose to live on a swamp? WTF?

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A woodland swamp to be exact. Cypress groves, salt marches, shell and mangrove islands, estuaries, little rivers and creeks, a bit of high ground here and there - or ground 3 to 8 inches underwater. Land untouched by any humans since the beginning of time on the Natural Coast of Florida. And bordered on 2 sides by a massive state park also that extends out into the Gulf of Mexico and the maze of small islands - land that people are prohibited from even walking on as a natural reserve - and that land rolling right in ours - no fence between them, no distinction between the land and ours.

I can not describe in words how truly beautiful this land is to me - the most beautiful place on earth in both a raw natural and such diversity - rather than just some majestic view of mountains miles away - and that's all there is. This land is ALIVE - it is ALL life. While one of the big boats is for offshore for some of the best game fishing on earth, mostly I just slowly wake-less troll along in small old aluminum bass tracker with a small outboard in the inner islands waters, bays, estuaries, and inlets among the ancient small scattered shell islands created by the people long forgotten who lived here for centuries living off the sea and the land - the largest clam reefs in the world back then - and the island their dumping ground of the shells - and the mangrove islands - for which those and the thousands of square miles of shallow sea grass are the birthing ground of the Gulf Of Mexico - a fisherman's paradise.

But beware, that water may only be 4 feet deep at low tide. Most bull shark hits happen from knee to hip height - particularly at dawn and dusk. This is bull shark capital of the world. And manatee capital. And no shortage of alligators. How long with this pod of dolphins follow your boat's wake?

And nobody, likely seeing nobody at all in any direction 90% of the time - and other 10% they are just passing by. On the land or out among the islands, there are no street signs. A person can get lost in there. Sometimes that the goal for a while.

What will you next see? The osprey? Is that a raccoon family at water's edge? Look, an 8 foot hammer head just went under your boat. The sea turtle that pops up it's head curious about you. What micro orgasm of observing the marvels of nature is in the next minute? - so peaceful to take in.

I greatly enjoy this orgy of undisturbed incredible diversity of nature, on the water, in the trees, in the air, is such a variety of birds - water fowl, cranes of many species including endangered, sea birds, woodlands birds, and all the birds of prey - osprey, owls, eagles and hawks. The diversity of plants of every kind. Even extreme diversity of insects - some of which will get you bad if you're not careful. You ever see a osprey dive straight down into it's prey feet from you? A eagle or a hawk strike within 10 yards? I have - and much, much more. I live in paradise on earth. I am a guardian of it.

But you're a urban progressive. To you, this is just a swamp that should be paved over with concrete for Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos. You will protest verbally a little on behalf of animals - for domesticated dogs and cats. THAT is "nature" to you.

vegas giants said:

Own and fired mine many times.


They should be licensed and registered

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Is yours?

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vegas giants said:

In states and countries that have that there are less gun deaths. It's not a coincidence when there are dozens of examples

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Go start a thread and describe them all.

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American said:

Is yours?

Sent from Hillary's private email server.

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Give me the form....happy to fill it out

vegas giants said:

Give me the form....happy to fill it out

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Liberals should be registered.

American said:

Liberals should be registered.

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Uh we are. So are conservatives. Lol

joko104 said:

In fact, I do have "tons" of guns and probably of ammo too - and other stuff like accessories (tripods, optics, magazines, just lots of stuff - 2 big U-Hauls full of stuff, including all his other personal stuff.) I inherited that as a surprise from a military weapons collecting military career father I do not recall ever meeting and probably never did, nor knew even his name or that he existed. He died (not combat related) while still in the Army and service records showed I was his only known surviving relative. So it all came my way, plus his insurance. Never saw that one coming.

So that night at the club, with a double shot of Wild Turkey Rare I toasted him. "Thanks, dad." (there was a bit of sarcasm, but also mixed with appreciation for having the decency to let his name be on the birth certificate and military records to bring this windfall my way.) The money paid for my first house - a gorgeous heavy cypress and stone at the edge of a woodland swamp fully furnished. I decided to keep all the military stuff until I could figure out what it was worth. Instead got into guns - but not military weapons: modern - and then antique firearms collecting. Most my firearms have gone up in value. Most used stuff doesn't.

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Snort! And yet another senseless post of pure, useless garbage.

joko104 said:

A woodland swamp to be exact. Cypress groves, salt marches, shell and mangrove islands, estuaries, little rivers and creeks, a bit of high ground here and there - or ground 3 to 8 inches underwater. Land untouched by any humans since the beginning of time on the Natural Coast of Florida. And bordered on 2 sides by a massive state park also that extends out into the Gulf of Mexico and the maze of small islands - land that people are prohibited from even walking on as a natural reserve - and that land rolling right in ours - no fence between them, no distinction between the land and ours.

I can not describe in words how truly beautiful this land is to me - the most beautiful place on earth in both a raw natural and such diversity - rather than just some majestic view of mountains miles away - and that's all there is. This land is ALIVE - it is ALL life. While one of the big boats is for offshore for some of the best game fishing on earth, mostly I just slowly wake-less troll along in small old aluminum bass tracker with a small outboard in the inner islands waters, bays, estuaries, and inlets among the ancient small scattered shell islands created by the people long forgotten who lived here for centuries living off the sea and the land - the largest clam reefs in the world back then - and the island their dumping ground of the shells - and the mangrove islands - for which those and the thousands of square miles of shallow sea grass are the birthing ground of the Gulf Of Mexico - a fisherman's paradise.

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Sounds really nice, and you clearly love your neck of the woods. It is interesting how words change with latitude. What you describe as a "swamp," is a "bog" when you get further north. When you are as far north as Alaska, bogs and swamps become "muskeg."

Personally, I love having mountains 360° of me, and they aren't that distant. Although they do have a tendency to mess with the climate, locally. With regard to sea-life, I just finished smoking 150 pounds of salmon 10 days ago. In a couple of days I will be heading out for my annual caribou, and next month is the beginning of moose season. There is quite a bit of diversity of life in Alaska as well, and some of it is very tasty.

joko104 said:

But beware, that water may only be 4 feet deep at low tide. Most bull shark hits happen from knee to hip height - particularly at dawn and dusk. This is bull shark capital of the world. And manatee capital. And no shortage of alligators. How long with this pod of dolphins follow your boat's wake?

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We've got the highest tides in the US, and the fifth highest tide (at 30.3 feet in Turnagain Arm) in the world in Anchorage.

Every Summer we have to rescue some idiot tourist who walks out onto the mud flats at low-tide and gets stuck. Not realizing that the tide comes back in at 40 mph. The tide also goes out at 40 mph as well, which has left many a Beluga or Killer whale stranded.

joko104 said:

I greatly enjoy this orgy of undisturbed incredible diversity of nature, on the water, in the trees, in the air, is such a variety of birds - water fowl, cranes of many species including endangered, sea birds, woodlands birds, and all the birds of prey - osprey, owls, eagles and hawks. The diversity of plants of every kind. Even extreme diversity of insects - some of which will get you bad if you're not careful. You ever see a osprey dive straight down into it's prey feet from you? A eagle or a hawk strike within 10 yards? I have - and much, much more. I live in paradise on earth. I am a guardian of it.

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I have to agree with you there. Although we don't quite have the variety of insects that you have, I'm also living in paradise on Earth. Just a different patch of Earth.

Were I live I might see a vehicle drive by once or twice a day. The rest of the time it is just me and the wildlife.

joko104 said:

But you're a urban progressive. To you, this is just a swamp that should be paved over with concrete for Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos. You will protest verbally a little on behalf of animals - for domesticated dogs and cats. THAT is "nature" to you.

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City critters are so removed from reality that they would starve to death if their meat didn't come cellophane wrapped from grocery stores. They have absolutely no idea how to function once they get outside of their cities.

joko104 said:

A woodland swamp to be exact. Cypress groves, salt marches, shell and mangrove islands, estuaries, little rivers and creeks, a bit of high ground here and there - or ground 3 to 8 inches underwater. Land untouched by any humans since the beginning of time on the Natural Coast of Florida. And bordered on 2 sides by a massive state park also that extends out into the Gulf of Mexico and the maze of small islands - land that people are prohibited from even walking on as a natural reserve - and that land rolling right in ours - no fence between them, no distinction between the land and ours.

I can not describe in words how truly beautiful this land is to me - the most beautiful place on earth in both a raw natural and such diversity - rather than just some majestic view of mountains miles away - and that's all there is. This land is ALIVE - it is ALL life. While one of the big boats is for offshore for some of the best game fishing on earth, mostly I just slowly wake-less troll along in small old aluminum bass tracker with a small outboard in the inner islands waters, bays, estuaries, and inlets among the ancient small scattered shell islands created by the people long forgotten who lived here for centuries living off the sea and the land - the largest clam reefs in the world back then - and the island their dumping ground of the shells - and the mangrove islands - for which those and the thousands of square miles of shallow sea grass are the birthing ground of the Gulf Of Mexico - a fisherman's paradise.

But beware, that water may only be 4 feet deep at low tide. Most bull shark hits happen from knee to hip height - particularly at dawn and dusk. This is bull shark capital of the world. And manatee capital. And no shortage of alligators. How long with this pod of dolphins follow your boat's wake?

And nobody, likely seeing nobody at all in any direction 90% of the time - and other 10% they are just passing by. On the land or out among the islands, there are no street signs. A person can get lost in there. Sometimes that the goal for a while.

What will you next see? The osprey? Is that a raccoon family at water's edge? Look, an 8 foot hammer head just went under your boat. The sea turtle that pops up it's head curious about you. What micro orgasm of observing the marvels of nature is in the next minute? - so peaceful to take in.

I greatly enjoy this orgy of undisturbed incredible diversity of nature, on the water, in the trees, in the air, is such a variety of birds - water fowl, cranes of many species including endangered, sea birds, woodlands birds, and all the birds of prey - osprey, owls, eagles and hawks. The diversity of plants of every kind. Even extreme diversity of insects - some of which will get you bad if you're not careful. You ever see a osprey dive straight down into it's prey feet from you? A eagle or a hawk strike within 10 yards? I have - and much, much more. I live in paradise on earth. I am a guardian of it.

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I am glad you find happiness there, sincerely.

But you're a urban progressive. To you, this is just a swamp that should be paved over with concrete for Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos. You will protest verbally a little on behalf of animals - for domesticated dogs and cats. THAT is "nature" to you.

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I am an urban moderate. I do not think your special place should be paved over. I respect it's contrast from city life and I respect your devotion to it. Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos are suburbia. I have zero interest in suburbia. I like grit, rust and graffiti mixed with my urban life.

I will never utter a word on behalf of animals. I think those that do have their priorities screwed up.

Nature to me to a hike along the Presidential range in NH. A lake in the mountains of NY. The coast of NJ where I can watch the ocean from a sandy beach.

Peace

noonereal said:

I am glad you find happiness there, sincerely.




I am an urban moderate. I do not think your special place should be paved over. I respect it's contrast from city life and I respect your devotion to it. Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos are suburbia. I have zero interest in suburbia. I like grit, rust and graffiti mixed with my urban life.

I will never utter a word on behalf of animals. I think those that do have their priorities screwed up.

Nature to me to a hike along the Presidential range in NH. A lake in the mountains of NY. The coast of NJ where I can watch the ocean from a sandy beach.

Peace

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:thumbs:

If I had to, I would pick inner city before suburbia too. To each his own I suppose.

joko104 said:

:thumbs:

If I had to, I would pick inner city before suburbia too. To each his own I suppose.

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FYI, Urban and inner city are not the same (trust me, I lived it)

I think you mean you would pick an urban area over a suburban area.

My AR15 project is coming along.

The primary AR15 is all custom except for the upper and lower casting. 16 bull barrel (thick/heavy). Quick breakdown tabs. Lightest and most sensitive trigger I could find.

A second complete lower is being built by a gunsmith for me, basically just to have a loaner gun and as a pistol. It will be to military specs, other than quick breakdown tabs and a trigger group - but not as sensitive - probably a 2.5 pound pull. By using a generic lower (that is the "gun" to the BATF), it can be either a rifle or pistol - depending on the buttstock on it - so it will have a pistol stock - which is little different from a rifle stock in usage - but a massive difference legally IF I put a barrel shorter than 16 inches on it. Then if is an illegal short barrel rifle - a serious federal felony. Yet the ONLY difference is the shape of the buttstock - and the difference is slight.

To this, I have a complete 20 inch twisted fluted .300 Blackout upper barrel assembly AND a 10 inch fluted compete upper barrel assembly. With the quick pull tabs, shifting between barrels and caliber will take a minute. The .300 Blackout actually was designed around a 10 inch barrel - though the 20 inch will give a higher velocity if wanted. For the subsonic (very heavy bullet), the 20 inch barrel adds nothing. Except for the 10 inch barrel, I would use my tricked AR15 lower setup.

Optics: Both the .223/5.56 16 inch barrel and 20 inch .300 Blackout, will have a typical large light gathering optical scopes (10-40) and a red wireless button laser in the medium quality range. Each upper assembly will have its own optics and laser already sighted in - so immediately ready to use.

The 10 inch barrel .300 Blackout (technically a pistol) will be my backwoods gun - specifically in the event of a hog danger. For that I will have it loaded with .300 blackout fragmentary, sub sonic heavy bullets as they unload the most energy, noting the range would likely be under 50 feet - though a 100 foot shot would be not problem. I will carry a 10 round magazine with a spare 10 round on my belt to keep it lightweight. The shorter barrel will make it faster to swing and 10 rounds and the fluted short barrel makes it MUCH lighter than my double barrel coach gun and certainly my M1A .308.

For optics on the 10 inch .300 blackout setup I will have twin lasers - off one wireless switch and a non-magnifying red/green select holographic sight. This AR15 pistol is specifically for very short range, instant panic impulse shooting. Being so much lighter (and shorter) it will be much easier to carry - particularly with the stock non-extended. For a longer range or more careful shot I would extend it.

So at this point I'm waiting for the gunsmith to finish the second lower setup, which will kept in short barrel pistol form. I will use the AR15 .223/5.56 for can plunking and target shooting - using .223s for the cost savings. For hog hunting, I'll switch out to the 20 inch .300 blackout barrel assembly set up with heavy subsonics, but will also have a magazine set up with hot fast .300 blackout jacketed rounds just in case I need to reach out beyond 150 feet or so. The long barrel should let it reach out to about 500 yards, but realistically its reliable accuracy and quick kill range probably is around 250 yards - and that's pushing it. But that has no relevancy here except on the water - and my M1A .308 will be the workhorse IF I am going offshore. Inland or in close to shore It'll be the 20 inch .300 or the 16 inch .223, whichever I grab - though might calculate the variance if I shift to 5.56 for a bit more speed and punch.

If I change anything, I'll replace the 16 inch .223/5.56 bull barrel with a fluted 18 to 20 inch Wylde barrel for the best of both .223 (accuracy) and 5.56 (velocity/range). The problem is a can't find it it chrome lined AND fluted. I could have a gunsmith flute it by that is pricey to try to save 7 or 8 ounces by the time I buy the barrel, have it fluted and then fitted to the upper. Is that worth it really?

Only remaining question is for a thermal scope. I think I found the right one. A Gen 4 thermal that can be color, black/white or white/black and is both a range finder and calculated wind speed and direction, plus attempts to calculate how to adjust for wind speed and distance. As for the lens I will opt for the LEAST magnification for the fastest close range sighting. BUT I want to communicate with some people on thermal scopes before laying out that kind of $$ based upon manufacturer's claims. The prices on such electronic is slowly dropping, so also don't want to get burned laying out a pile of money on something costs 50% less 2 years from now. BUT cheap thermals really are crap.

best triggers include HiperFire (on my PCC race gun) Geiselle (on my top 3G competition rig), CMC -one of the best of the drop in rigs, Eftman (another great drop in rig) and the king of aftermarket triggers Timney (I have one of their DCM/NRA Service rifle legal ones on my Rock River National Match rifle.

for the money the CMC I think is the best buy though the new RISE armaments cassette trigger is really good and can be found for under a C note.