View Poll Results: Have you shot an AR15?

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  • Yes - and guns like the AR15 should be banned

    3 6.25%
  • Yes - and guns like the AR15 should not be banned

    30 62.50%
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    3 6.25%
  • No - and guns like the AR15 should not be banned

    11 22.92%
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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I'd say the real disease is trying to enact laws that are designed purely to harass people you don't agree with or are designed to deal with one's own projections
    I think it is a bit sociopathic to care more about shooting a firearm than the well being and life of innocent men and women.

    Just my two cents.
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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think it is a bit sociopathic to care more about shooting a firearm than the well being and life of innocent men and women.

    Just my two cents.
    I think it is seething dishonesty to pretend that is what the gun rights debate is about. I think it is disgusting for gun banners to want violent criminals able to ply their murderous trade in complete safety.
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think it is a bit sociopathic to care more about shooting a firearm than the well being and life of innocent men and women..
    I agree. I am not aware of anybody who cares more about shooting a firearm than others’ well being, however.
    I enjoy shooting and go every week. I want to retain my right to own and shoot firearms. My ownership does not put anyone’s well being at risk. So why do you want to restrict what weapons I can own or how large a magazine I can use?
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Interesting tidbit of information. And the gun grabbers want to take those horrid assult rifles away from law abiding citizens


    Most gun-related crimes are carried out with illegally owned firearms—as much as 80 percent according to some estimates.
    The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports prove that the overwhelming majority of gun-related homicides are perpetrated with handguns, with rifles of any kind accounting for less than 3 percent of gun-related homicides. In 2013, 5,782 murders were committed by killers who used a handgun, compared to 285 committed by killers who used a rifle. The same holds true for 2012 (6,404 to 298); 2011 (6,251 to 332); 2010 (6,115 to 367); and 2009 (6,501 to 351).
    More people are stabbed to death every year than are murdered with rifles.
    A person is more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object or beaten to death with hands and feet than to be murdered with a rifle.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    I agree. I am not aware of anybody who cares more about shooting a firearm than others’ well being, however.
    I enjoy shooting and go every week. I want to retain my right to own and shoot firearms. My ownership does not put anyone’s well being at risk. So why do you want to restrict what weapons I can own or how large a magazine I can use?
    Wrong, completely wrong.

    Zealot gun supporters want their guns and want zero restriction.

    3-day wait for a background check? Gun zealots say why even have a background check to begin with?

    Preventing those charged with domestic violence or mental illness from obtaining guns? A violation of their constitutional rights.

    Preventing felons or criminals from obtaining firearms? Why? They are just going to get them anyway, why have a law.

    Any commone sense support of gun control will be met with fierce irrational resistance from the gun supporters.
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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Ive shot AR15s and full auto M16s and both should be legal to purchase. I dont believe either one is a problem.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    Ya....

    Sounds like a disease.
    I suppose when you buy a new car, wanting to drive it is a disease.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I read all sorts of studies about wounding values for various mil-spec ammo, including the Hatcher and Evan Marshall Studies as well as the FBI stuff that led to the adoption of the 10MM and later the now being discarded 40 SW. I also spent a lot of time with the guy who won the National Service Rifle championship (Jack Caseman) of the USMC shooting team and why the USMC and the USAMU (Ft Benning) gave up the M14 rifles in favor of the M16 rifles for national matches-even with some of the stages being at 600 yards.

    what I learned from all of this is the following

    1) while a 762 NATO Round is more lethal, 556 was far more preferred in a military context where the main goal is infliction of casualties on the opposition. The standard load for an infantry operator in 762 was 8 20 round magazines. For the M16 it was 9 30 round magazines. 270 rounds of 556 is far superior to 160 rounds of 762 for that purposes

    2) for SF or patrol types, the M16 allowed far more ammo to be carried. My nephew, who has had close to five years of heavy combat experience-first in the Rangers and later as an A camp commander in Afghanistan, noted that even in the sandbox, most of the engagements were under 250 yards and stuff longer than that was usually addressed by firebase artillery or gunships. The Marine champion noted that the fatigue from shooting dozens of rounds of 762 is noticeable, he could fire six times more 556 than 762 and be fresher., and this guy was not a normal soldier or marine, This guy was the best military rifle shot in the USA and maybe the world.Current top rifle shot-Ben Cleland has said the same thing.

    3) The wounds that the M16 cause, are better from a military standpoint as well -especially with the Vietnam era rifling, since it didn't blast straight through an opponent (thus not dumping most of its energy) as the 762 did, rather it yawed and caused far more tissue damage which required more attention by medical personnel.
    The Marine Corps qualifies at three different ranges: 200, 300, and 500 meters (yep, they use meters, not yards). At each range there are different firing positions. At 200 meters you fire from a non-braced standing position and the kneeling position. At 300 meters you fire from the kneeling and the sitting positions. At 500 meters you fire from the prone position.

    The highest possible score is 250, and you must obtain a minimum of 190 in order to qualify. A score of between 190 and 209 will get them a Marksman badge. A score between 210 and 219 will earn them a Sharpshooter badge, and a score of 220 or above qualifies them for an Expert badge.

    The damage the M16 causes has very little to do with the weapon, and everything to do with the ammunition being used. The M193 anti-personnel ball round was specifically designed to be off-balance. Not only does the round spin as a result of the rifling, but it also tumbles end-over-end as it travels towards its target. That tumbling action causes the round to behave very strangely when it impacts a human body. The round has a tendency to ricochet around inside the body, so you never know where (or even if) there will be an exit wound. You could be shot in the butt and have the round come out your foot, breaking every bone in your leg as it travels.

    The round was designed to inflict greater injury, but not necessarily death since it is such a small caliber. The idea was that more resources would be used by an enemy treating their wounded than caring for their dead. Therefore, having more injured than dead was the preferred goal.

    It naturally depends upon the terrain, of course, but I very rarely have to shoot anything further than 100 meters away. I hunt primarily in forests and that explains why my range is so short. If I had to drive all the way up to the north slope to take a caribou, where there are no trees for hundreds of miles, then I would be required to take them from a much greater range. Fortunately, I don't have to drive that far to get my annual caribou. I just call the Park Rangers and find out how far away the herd is from the highway. When they are close enough I drive up, hike a half mile from the highway, and bag me a caribou. I don't consider it hunting, since there is no skill involved. More like rural grocery store shopping, except that I'm also the butcher.
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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think it is a bit sociopathic to care more about shooting a firearm than the well being and life of innocent men and women.

    Just my two cents.
    There's no reason you can't care about both.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    Any commone sense support of gun control will be met with fierce irrational resistance from the gun supporters.
    At least you got that right, by the way its spelled common not commone, and what the gun control defines as common sense gun control is anything but common sense. But you're right that their proposals will be met with fierce resistance from gun supporters, so they've got a hopeless cause.

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