View Poll Results: Have you shot an AR15?

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A woodland swamp to be exact. Cypress groves, salt marches, shell and mangrove islands, estuaries, little rivers and creeks, a bit of high ground here and there - or ground 3 to 8 inches underwater. Land untouched by any humans since the beginning of time on the Natural Coast of Florida. And bordered on 2 sides by a massive state park also that extends out into the Gulf of Mexico and the maze of small islands - land that people are prohibited from even walking on as a natural reserve - and that land rolling right in ours - no fence between them, no distinction between the land and ours.

    I can not describe in words how truly beautiful this land is to me - the most beautiful place on earth in both a raw natural and such diversity - rather than just some majestic view of mountains miles away - and that's all there is. This land is ALIVE - it is ALL life. While one of the big boats is for offshore for some of the best game fishing on earth, mostly I just slowly wake-less troll along in small old aluminum bass tracker with a small outboard in the inner islands waters, bays, estuaries, and inlets among the ancient small scattered shell islands created by the people long forgotten who lived here for centuries living off the sea and the land - the largest clam reefs in the world back then - and the island their dumping ground of the shells - and the mangrove islands - for which those and the thousands of square miles of shallow sea grass are the birthing ground of the Gulf Of Mexico - a fisherman's paradise.

    But beware, that water may only be 4 feet deep at low tide. Most bull shark hits happen from knee to hip height - particularly at dawn and dusk. This is bull shark capital of the world. And manatee capital. And no shortage of alligators. How long with this pod of dolphins follow your boat's wake?

    And nobody, likely seeing nobody at all in any direction 90% of the time - and other 10% they are just passing by. On the land or out among the islands, there are no street signs. A person can get lost in there. Sometimes that the goal for a while.

    What will you next see? The osprey? Is that a raccoon family at water's edge? Look, an 8 foot hammer head just went under your boat. The sea turtle that pops up it's head curious about you. What micro orgasm of observing the marvels of nature is in the next minute? - so peaceful to take in.

    I greatly enjoy this orgy of undisturbed incredible diversity of nature, on the water, in the trees, in the air, is such a variety of birds - water fowl, cranes of many species including endangered, sea birds, woodlands birds, and all the birds of prey - osprey, owls, eagles and hawks. The diversity of plants of every kind. Even extreme diversity of insects - some of which will get you bad if you're not careful. You ever see a osprey dive straight down into it's prey feet from you? A eagle or a hawk strike within 10 yards? I have - and much, much more. I live in paradise on earth. I am a guardian of it.
    I am glad you find happiness there, sincerely.


    But you're a urban progressive. To you, this is just a swamp that should be paved over with concrete for Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos. You will protest verbally a little on behalf of animals - for domesticated dogs and cats. THAT is "nature" to you.
    I am an urban moderate. I do not think your special place should be paved over. I respect it's contrast from city life and I respect your devotion to it. Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos are suburbia. I have zero interest in suburbia. I like grit, rust and graffiti mixed with my urban life.

    I will never utter a word on behalf of animals. I think those that do have their priorities screwed up.

    Nature to me to a hike along the Presidential range in NH. A lake in the mountains of NY. The coast of NJ where I can watch the ocean from a sandy beach.

    Peace
    The more I get to know people the more I realize why Noah only let animals on the boat.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    I am glad you find happiness there, sincerely.




    I am an urban moderate. I do not think your special place should be paved over. I respect it's contrast from city life and I respect your devotion to it. Starbucks, Macys, Barnes & Noble, and Condos are suburbia. I have zero interest in suburbia. I like grit, rust and graffiti mixed with my urban life.

    I will never utter a word on behalf of animals. I think those that do have their priorities screwed up.

    Nature to me to a hike along the Presidential range in NH. A lake in the mountains of NY. The coast of NJ where I can watch the ocean from a sandy beach.

    Peace


    If I had to, I would pick inner city before suburbia too. To each his own I suppose.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post


    If I had to, I would pick inner city before suburbia too. To each his own I suppose.
    FYI, Urban and inner city are not the same (trust me, I lived it)

    I think you mean you would pick an urban area over a suburban area.

    The more I get to know people the more I realize why Noah only let animals on the boat.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    My AR15 project is coming along.

    The primary AR15 is all custom except for the upper and lower casting. 16 bull barrel (thick/heavy). Quick breakdown tabs. Lightest and most sensitive trigger I could find.

    A second complete lower is being built by a gunsmith for me, basically just to have a loaner gun and as a pistol. It will be to military specs, other than quick breakdown tabs and a trigger group - but not as sensitive - probably a 2.5 pound pull. By using a generic lower (that is the "gun" to the BATF), it can be either a rifle or pistol - depending on the buttstock on it - so it will have a pistol stock - which is little different from a rifle stock in usage - but a massive difference legally IF I put a barrel shorter than 16 inches on it. Then if is an illegal short barrel rifle - a serious federal felony. Yet the ONLY difference is the shape of the buttstock - and the difference is slight.

    To this, I have a complete 20 inch twisted fluted .300 Blackout upper barrel assembly AND a 10 inch fluted compete upper barrel assembly. With the quick pull tabs, shifting between barrels and caliber will take a minute. The .300 Blackout actually was designed around a 10 inch barrel - though the 20 inch will give a higher velocity if wanted. For the subsonic (very heavy bullet), the 20 inch barrel adds nothing. Except for the 10 inch barrel, I would use my tricked AR15 lower setup.

    Optics: Both the .223/5.56 16 inch barrel and 20 inch .300 Blackout, will have a typical large light gathering optical scopes (10-40) and a red wireless button laser in the medium quality range. Each upper assembly will have its own optics and laser already sighted in - so immediately ready to use.

    The 10 inch barrel .300 Blackout (technically a pistol) will be my backwoods gun - specifically in the event of a hog danger. For that I will have it loaded with .300 blackout fragmentary, sub sonic heavy bullets as they unload the most energy, noting the range would likely be under 50 feet - though a 100 foot shot would be not problem. I will carry a 10 round magazine with a spare 10 round on my belt to keep it lightweight. The shorter barrel will make it faster to swing and 10 rounds and the fluted short barrel makes it MUCH lighter than my double barrel coach gun and certainly my M1A .308.

    For optics on the 10 inch .300 blackout setup I will have twin lasers - off one wireless switch and a non-magnifying red/green select holographic sight. This AR15 pistol is specifically for very short range, instant panic impulse shooting. Being so much lighter (and shorter) it will be much easier to carry - particularly with the stock non-extended. For a longer range or more careful shot I would extend it.

    So at this point I'm waiting for the gunsmith to finish the second lower setup, which will kept in short barrel pistol form. I will use the AR15 .223/5.56 for can plunking and target shooting - using .223s for the cost savings. For hog hunting, I'll switch out to the 20 inch .300 blackout barrel assembly set up with heavy subsonics, but will also have a magazine set up with hot fast .300 blackout jacketed rounds just in case I need to reach out beyond 150 feet or so. The long barrel should let it reach out to about 500 yards, but realistically its reliable accuracy and quick kill range probably is around 250 yards - and that's pushing it. But that has no relevancy here except on the water - and my M1A .308 will be the workhorse IF I am going offshore. Inland or in close to shore It'll be the 20 inch .300 or the 16 inch .223, whichever I grab - though might calculate the variance if I shift to 5.56 for a bit more speed and punch.

    If I change anything, I'll replace the 16 inch .223/5.56 bull barrel with a fluted 18 to 20 inch Wylde barrel for the best of both .223 (accuracy) and 5.56 (velocity/range). The problem is a can't find it it chrome lined AND fluted. I could have a gunsmith flute it by that is pricey to try to save 7 or 8 ounces by the time I buy the barrel, have it fluted and then fitted to the upper. Is that worth it really?

    Only remaining question is for a thermal scope. I think I found the right one. A Gen 4 thermal that can be color, black/white or white/black and is both a range finder and calculated wind speed and direction, plus attempts to calculate how to adjust for wind speed and distance. As for the lens I will opt for the LEAST magnification for the fastest close range sighting. BUT I want to communicate with some people on thermal scopes before laying out that kind of $$ based upon manufacturer's claims. The prices on such electronic is slowly dropping, so also don't want to get burned laying out a pile of money on something costs 50% less 2 years from now. BUT cheap thermals really are crap.
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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    best triggers include HiperFire (on my PCC race gun) Geiselle (on my top 3G competition rig), CMC -one of the best of the drop in rigs, Eftman (another great drop in rig) and the king of aftermarket triggers Timney (I have one of their DCM/NRA Service rifle legal ones on my Rock River National Match rifle.

    for the money the CMC I think is the best buy though the new RISE armaments cassette trigger is really good and can be found for under a C note.
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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    best triggers include HiperFire (on my PCC race gun) Geiselle (on my top 3G competition rig), CMC -one of the best of the drop in rigs, Eftman (another great drop in rig) and the king of aftermarket triggers Timney (I have one of their DCM/NRA Service rifle legal ones on my Rock River National Match rifle.

    for the money the CMC I think is the best buy though the new RISE armaments cassette trigger is really good and can be found for under a C note.
    I really like Jewel triggers. Have one on a Rem 700, the AR, and one other rifle I can't recall just now. Just a note; the stock trigger setup in my 1874 Sharps; (trigger and set trigger) also adjustable for pull, is the best of all. And it's a very crude trigger compared to modern triggers. Go figure.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    FYI, Urban and inner city are not the same (trust me, I lived it)

    I think you mean you would pick an urban area over a suburban area.

    I think I understand the distinction you are drawing.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    best triggers include HiperFire (on my PCC race gun) Geiselle (on my top 3G competition rig), CMC -one of the best of the drop in rigs, Eftman (another great drop in rig) and the king of aftermarket triggers Timney (I have one of their DCM/NRA Service rifle legal ones on my Rock River National Match rifle.

    for the money the CMC I think is the best buy though the new RISE armaments cassette trigger is really good and can be found for under a C note.
    The 1.5 pound Timney I put in is very precise and fully adjustable as to height and placement. Very pleased. I probably don't want that light a touch nor put out that money for the backup lower pistol/rifle setup.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A new basic AR15 cost about $600 to $700 depending on the brand. Used about $400 to $700, depending if and how it is customized. If I bought every one at the local gun shop and/or at the local two flea markets, even including ones totally tricked out and with optics, it would be less than $1000 each on average.

    But if you can get $5000 for one, more power to you! Someone that stupid is too stupid to figure out how to load up a magazine.
    I think that was aimed at some of our less than brilliant,friendly neighborhood anti gunners that wouldn't know any better. My take.

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    Re: Have you ever shot an AR15?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    One of the annoyances of debating gun control is that those who want to ignore 2A are usually incredibly ignorant about firearms, so sound like idiots when they rant, particularly politicians.

    So to pro-gun rights people who are experienced with firearms it never goes beyond the sense that the anti-gun rights person is just an idiot having no clue what they are talking about.

    It would be like debating someone over legalizing marijuana, they oppose it - saying it is because thousands of people die from overdoses every year, causes birth defects, permanent blindness and impotency plus all of a person's hair falls out. How do you debate someone THAT wrong factually? Thus, you never actually get to real issues at all.

    People who have no experience with firearms think anyone can just buy a gun and then go out and shoot to death gobs of people. After all, that is how Hollywood says it works. Everyone - except maybe the good guy - who is shot instantly flies back against a wall, dead before they hit the ground. Just point the gun pulling the trigger as fast as you can and everyone around is instantly killed.

    Anyone who is experienced with firearms knows how truly ignorant/lack that is. Anyone can test this. There are gun shops and gun ranges that rent firearms for use. A few even full automatic machine guns. Go rent-a-gun and shoot at stationary targets at only 30 feet with any pistol or rifles over a 22LR. Big 8 inch diameter targets or human outline. Do it with an AR15 with a big magazine. Do it with a handgun 9mm or larger in caliber. Shoot FAST like a mass shooter would. Remember, these targets aren't moving - like people who will be running.

    See how many times you hit within 4 inches of the center of the target - an 8 inch diameter. Then see how many people - people who stood their frozen like statues, squarely facing you - that you would have killed. Again, SHOOT FAST! You will quickly see that anyone who isn't a highly practiced shooter can't hit targets in the kill-zone if they are firing fast even if the target isn't moving. It is VERY difficult for a new shooter. Even for an experienced one.

    To the response "the proof is how many are killed by mass shooters with such a "military assault rifle" (it's not), the answer is unless denied medical care (as the Obama FBI did to the LGBTs wounded in the Pulse nightclub allowed to bleed to death for 2 hours), the AR15 usually mostly only wounded those shot - and nearly everyone at the location got away unharmed. MANY other methods used for mass murder have vastly higher death rates - and usually allow the murderer to both escape and be unknown. Mass shooters are always killed, suicide, or surrender quickly.

    So... have you shot an AR15? Do you have a CLUE what you are talking about? Or is it only what you have heard and just figure what they are like to shoot?
    AR15s are for weaklings, real men own AR10s. AR15s are only good for squirrels and rabbits.

    .308 > .223

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