Have you ever shot an AR15?

Glitch said:

Then explain how 3 out of 10, or 30%, is a "[a] disproportionate number of terrorist or crazy type mass murders." If it is suppose to be disproportionate, shouldn't they be the majority instead of the minority of mass murderers? You want to blame the military for "disproportionately" churning out mass murderers, but then admit that military-trained mass murderers are in the minority. You can't have it both ways, they are contradictory claims.

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Try reading my message rather than a summary knee jerk response. I didn't blame anyone.

Actually, 30% is disproportionate as 30% of the adult population isn't military/ex military if we are going to be factual. The statistic is 7.6%.
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What is missing is the stats on crimes prevented by current and ex-military.

Do I think military/ex-military Americans are more dangerous than others? No. In fact, I would like as many ex military Americans to be openly carrying in the USA as possible because ex-military tend to come to other people's rescue more often and more often prevent crimes. They also would be more competent and clear headed about their firearm.

There are no stats on crimes prevented by the presence of a firearm for which no crime occurred at all. Those VASTLY outnumber gun murders and gun crimes.

Also missing is McVeigh, ex military (Army), who could have used any gun but instead used a bomb - killing 168 people and wounding nearly 700. Guns are not the ultimate mass murder weapon, but the least of all, other than knives.

It is virtually unheard of for any American armed with a firearm to be robbed, violently assaulted, kidnapped, raped or murdered. THAT is what matters to me. What matters to ME is a gun saved one of my children's lives and guns saved my life in the most absolute, imminently real ways. No gun has ever harmed me. Police have never protected me. No one ever has come to my aid or rescue. People, not guns, have harmed me - but not since I got my first gun. My family and myself have been safe ever since.

Glitch said:

I figured you would use something like Mother Jones. Which has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Notice how you had to stretch the definition of "mass murder" to any killings involving more than two people and include reservists who have virtually no military training at all beyond boot camp. An incredibly dishonest source, but expected from your ilk.

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Mother Jones maintains the most accurate realistic database on mass shootings that we have and they are all backed up with linked evidence.

just out of curiosity...what is it that you see as my 'ilk'?

VanceMack said:

11 of the 114 documented mass murderers had military experience. But that doesnt equate to "the military is training mass murderers". Something people often forget is that the military is populated by society...and we are all members of society. There are 16 teen school shooters...but I doubt anyone would make the claim that the schools are training mass shooters.

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Sorta makes you wonder where all the mass shootings/murders are don't it. With hundreds of thousands of military trained actual combat Vets from Vietnam alone. How about all the actual combat Vets since? Well so much for that huh?

VanceMack said:

:lamo

Mother Jones maintains the most accurate realistic database on mass shootings that we have and they are all backed up with linked evidence.

just out of curiosity...what is it that you see as my 'ilk'?

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Mother Jones is well-documented anti-American leftist rag who wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the posterior. Which is why they cite any killing involving more than two people as a "mass murder." They are deliberately dishonest, and so is anyone who attempts to peddle them as a source for anything.

Try citing a credible source, if you are capable, like the FBI.

Glitch said:

Mother Jones is well-documented anti-American leftist rag who wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the posterior. Which is why they cite any killing involving more than two people as a "mass murder." They are deliberately dishonest, and so is anyone who attempts to peddle them as a source for anything.

Try citing a credible source, if you are capable, like the FBI.

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Mother Jones uses the FBI definitions of Mass Shootings. "research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker." Each incident is clearly identified and includes source. I use Mother Jones as a source precisely because it is liberal...AND still presents factual information.

You really should learn more about this if you are going to talk about it.

And you didnt answer the question. Who do you see as my 'ilk'?

Bucky said:

You actually need a license to drive a car. You do not need a license to buy a gun.

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You do not legally need a license, registration, insurance, or anything else to purchase a vehicle. You also do not need any of those things to operate a vehicle on private land or to transport it on public roads.